Calculating Magnetic Field Strength of Magnetron

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic field strength of a magnetron, which is a microwave source where electrons travel in circular orbits within a magnetic field. The original poster presents a scenario involving the resonant frequency and the electron's period of revolution, aiming to relate these to the magnetic field strength through the centripetal and magnetic forces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between centripetal force and magnetic force, questioning how to express velocity in terms of period and radius. They discuss the use of angular velocity and its connection to linear velocity, as well as how to derive expressions for these variables.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively engaging in deriving relationships and clarifying concepts related to angular velocity and its implications for the problem. There is no explicit consensus yet, but several productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working with specific values for the electron charge and mass, but there is uncertainty regarding how to find the radius and speed of the electrons, which are critical for solving the problem.

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Homework Statement


A magnetron is a microwave source in which a "bunch" of electrons travel on a circular orbit in a uniform magnetic field. As the electrons pass the electrodes, a high-frequency alternating voltage difference occurs.

Suppose the resonant frequency is f = 1.91×1010 s−1; that is, the electron period of revolution is T = 5.24×10-11 s. What is the corresponding strength of the magnetic field?
Set the centripetal force equal to the magnetic force. The electron charge is -1.6E-19 C and the electron mass is 9.1E-31 kg.


Homework Equations


mv^2/r= qv*b


The Attempt at a Solution



none i can't find away to find the radius or speed
 
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So in

\frac{mv^2}{r}=BQv

does anything happen to cancel out?


Do you know a relation between some sort of velocity and period?
 
just one V is i am solving for b and the only thing i know is what is at the begging
 
Wizardofwaz said:
just one V is i am solving for b and the only thing i know is what is at the begging

good good. So now we have

\frac{mv}{r}=Bq


Right?


so do you know any other formula where 'something' is equal to v/r ?
 
kinetic engergy

1/2mv
______
r
 
Wizardofwaz said:
kinetic engergy

1/2mv
______
r

no no, I went a bit over your head there.

Do you know of angular velocity?
 
ω = θ / t (2a)

where

ω= angular velocity (rad/s)

θ = angular displacement (rad)

t = time (s)
 
Wizardofwaz said:
ω = θ / t (2a)

where

ω= angular velocity (rad/s)

θ = angular displacement (rad)

t = time (s)

so if θ=s/r (s= arc length)

then ω=(s/r)/t = (s/t)/r

Since s is a distance, what does distance/time give?
 
velocity, but how do i find that out from what i know
 
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Wizardofwaz said:
velocity, but how do i find that out from what i know

Now if s/t=v

then ω=v/r right?


Now what is ω with what you have?

If ω is the angular displacement in one revolution/time taken to make one revolution, what is ω equal to?
 
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so s=360 T= 5.24×10-11 s
 
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Wizardofwaz said:
so s=360 T= 5.24×10-11 s

ω=θ/T

Right right, we're reaching somewhere. In one revolution, how many radians does it rotate?
 
  • #13
2pie
 
  • #14
Wizardofwaz said:
2pie

Nice! (2pi=2π)

so now ω=2π/T


so can we find ω now?


Can we replace v/r by ω in this formula?

\frac{mv}{r}=BQ
 
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m*(2pi/t)/r= Bq
 
  • #16
but how di i find r
 
  • #17
Wizardofwaz said:
m*(2pi/t)/r= Bq

no no

\omega= \frac{v}{r}=\frac{2\pi}{T}

so your formula changes to?
 

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