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The discussion centers on calculating the speed of a muon using Lorentz transformations, given its average lifetime and distance traveled. Participants clarify that while the muon's lifetime is measured in its rest frame, the distance it travels in the laboratory frame is crucial for determining speed. A key point is that in the muon's frame, the distance traveled during its lifetime is zero, leading to confusion about the application of Lorentz transformations. The correct approach involves understanding that the time dilation factor, gamma (γ), must be applied properly to relate the two frames. Ultimately, the discussion emphasizes the importance of perspective in relativity and how it affects calculations.
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A muon is an unstable elementary particle with an average lifetime of 2.20×10-6 seconds (from the moment of creation until it decays) as measured by an observer at rest with the muon. If an average muon travels a distance of 900 meters during one lifetime, according to an observer in the laboratory, what is the muon's speed (in m/s)?

I have the Lorentz Transformations sitting right in front of me but I can't seem to make the logical jump again. If O is the observer's frame and O' is the muon's frame of reference I have the following data:

x = ?
t = 2.2*10^6s
x' = 900m
t' = ?

I really don't remember where to go from here. I tried taking the ratio of x to t and x' to t' the Lorentz transformations but it didn't yield anything relevant. Thanks in advance.
 
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I tried using the fact that t' = \gammat and x' = x/\gamma and v = x/t to yield v = x'\gamma/t but the answer came out imaginary. What am I doing so wrong?
 
Think in terms of the time and distance intervals between the birth and death of the muon. Here's what you are given:
\Delta t = ?
\Delta x = 900m
\Delta t' = 2.2*10^6s
big hint:
\Delta x' = 0

Now use the LT to find \Delta t, at least in terms of v. Then realize that \Delta x/\Delta t = v. Solve for v.
 
vsage said:
I tried using the fact that t' = \gammat and x' = x/\gamma and v = x/t to yield v = x'\gamma/t but the answer came out imaginary. What am I doing so wrong?
Careful of those "facts". While it's true in this case that \Delta t = \gamma \Delta t', \Delta x \ne \Delta x' / \gamma. Use the full LT; don't take shortcuts (until you have more experience and know when to use them).
 
Well I got the right answer with your advice (thanks btw) but I don't understand why \Deltax' = 0 still. It should be obvious but I apparently forgot all of relativity.
 
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vsage said:
Well I got the right answer with your advice (thanks btw) but I don't understand why \Deltax' = 0 still. Does that mean it was observed to have barely moved in the time interval or what?
Remember that the primed coordinates are observations made in the "moving" frame attached to the muon. How far does the muon move in its own frame? :wink:
 
Argh I see now. I completely switched the perspectives. For some reason I thought the decay time was measured from an observer standing on Earth or something. Thank you!
 
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