Calculating Normal and Lift Forces: Elevator and Jet Physics Homework Help

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The discussion revolves around calculating normal and lift forces in the context of an elevator and a jet. The original poster presents two scenarios: one involving a person in an accelerating elevator and another involving a jet experiencing lift and thrust forces.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of normal force and its relationship to gravitational force in the elevator scenario. There are questions about whether gravity should be subtracted from the normal force and how the scale reading would change during upward acceleration. In the jet scenario, participants express confusion regarding the dynamics of lift, thrust, and air resistance.

Discussion Status

Some participants are exploring the calculations and reasoning behind the normal force and scale readings, while others are questioning the assumptions made in the calculations. There is an ongoing dialogue about the implications of acceleration on perceived weight and the mechanics of how scales function.

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Participants note the importance of free-body diagrams and Newton's laws in understanding the forces at play. There is also mention of the need for clarity in calculations and assumptions regarding weight and forces in motion.

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Homework Statement


Brian whose mass is approximately 70 kg, is in an elevator accelerating upwards at 2m/2^2. Determine the normal force acting on his body. What weight would the scale register when Brian is going up?

Melanie is flying east in her new private jet at a constant altitude. The lift force on the plane is 100,000 N. The inital velocity of the plane is 100m/s[E], when it begins to accelerate at a constant rate. If the air resistance on the plane is 40,000 N and the thrust is 52,000 N, find the time it takes her plane to reach a velocity of 115m/2[E[?

Homework Equations


fnet=m*a
fg=m*g

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For the first questions I simply calculated the normal force, which was 750 N. Then I calculate the force of gravity, for which I got 686. Then I subtracted the force of gravity from the normal force (750 N -686 N= 64N, which is 64kg?) Am I going in the right direction?

I do not get the second question at all
 
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I am not sure if you need to subtract gravity for the normal force. However, for what the scale would read, it should be more than he would weigh if he weren't moving.
 
physics007jazer said:
For the first questions I simply calculated the normal force, which was 750 N. Then I calculate the force of gravity, for which I got 686. Then I subtracted the force of gravity from the normal force (750 N -686 N= 64N, which is 64kg?) Am I going in the right direction?

your conclusion is that man will be lighter but the usual experience in a lift going up is opposite- so think over it.
 
physics007jazer said:
For the first questions I simply calculated the normal force, which was 750 N. Then I calculate the force of gravity, for which I got 686. Then I subtracted the force of gravity from the normal force (750 N -686 N= 64N, which is 64kg?) Am I going in the right direction?
You have not shown how you calculated the normal force, which is the first question.
Weight is 70kg x 9.8N/kg = 686N well done
N>mg OK
64N < 686N ... so this result says the net force is 10% of his weight pointing up.
64N is not 64kg ...

You should draw a free-body diagram for Brian, then apply Newton's laws.
To see how these normal forces and weights turn into the reading on a scale, have a look at the forces on the scale. How do scales tell you your weight?
 
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