Calculating Peak Capacitor Voltage Across a Half-Wave Rectified AC

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The discussion centers on calculating the peak voltage across a capacitor charged by half-wave rectified AC. Participants explore the relevant formulas, integration methods, and the underlying principles of the circuit operation, with a focus on the capacitor's charging behavior.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the formula Vc=Vs(1-e-t/RC) to determine the capacitor voltage, questioning the integration approach for calculating peak voltage.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to consider the time-derivative of Vc and warns about the timing of maximal Vc.
  • A participant shares a link to a visual representation of a half-wave rectifier circuit, suggesting that the answer for peak voltage is straightforward.
  • Concerns are raised about whether the time constant refers to the capacitor's charging or discharging path, noting that they are independent.
  • One participant expresses a lack of understanding of the circuit's operation, indicating that a solid grasp of the principles is essential before applying mathematical methods.
  • Another participant advises that practical experimentation or studying waveforms is crucial for understanding the circuit, suggesting that theoretical knowledge should follow practical insights.

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Participants express differing views on the approach to calculating the peak voltage and the importance of understanding the circuit's operation. There is no consensus on the correct method or interpretation of the principles involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of integrating the voltage formula and the potential confusion surrounding the time constants for charging and discharging paths. There are unresolved questions regarding the application of the formulas and the circuit's behavior.

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Hi,
I am trying to figure out the peak voltage across a capacitor when charged by 1/2 wave rectified AC. The formula for instantaneous voltage is : Vc=Vs(1-e-t/RC) where:
Vc=Capacitor voltage,
Vs=Source Voltage,
t=time
RC = the capacitor time constant

So I thought I could integrate with respect to t that formula from t=0 to t=1/4 of the period of the AC cycle. Something like this:
∫VpSin(ωt)(1-e-t/RC)dt where:
Vp=Peak Voltage

However that can't be correct as I got some ridiculous answer when I used an online integral calculator to do the work.
 
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p75213 said:
The formula for instantaneous voltage is : Vc=Vs(1-e-t/RC) where:
Vc=Capacitor voltage,
Vs=Source Voltage,
t=time
RC = the capacitor time constant
This assumes a constant source voltage.

What is the time-derivative of Vc?
p75213 said:
So I thought I could integrate with respect to t that formula from t=0 to t=1/4 of the period of the AC cycle.
Be careful with the time of maximal Vc.
 
mfb said:
This assumes a constant source voltage.

What is the time-derivative of Vc?
Be careful with the time of maximal Vc.

dVc/dt = VpSin(ωt)*1/RC*e-t/RC+(1-e-t/RC)*Vp*ω*Cos(ωt)

Don't ask me to plug values into that or graph it. I've already tried and can't get anything to either calculate a result or graph it.
 
p75213 said:
RC = the capacitor time constant
Are you involving the time constant of the capacitor's charging path, or the capacitor's discharging path? The two are independent.

The fact that you seem to believe you need maths tells me you aren't yet understanding the circuit's principle of operation.
 
NascentOxygen said:
Are you involving the time constant of the capacitor's charging path, or the capacitor's discharging path? The two are independent.

The fact that you seem to believe you need maths tells me you aren't yet understanding the circuit's operation.

The charging path is what I am interested in. Your right - I don't understand the circuits operation.
 
p75213 said:
The charging path is what I am interested in. Your right - I don't understand the circuits operation.
In electronics, no amount of maths will save you if you don't first acquire a thorough understanding of how the circuit works. You need to examine a set of waveforms typically found around this circuit, either by doing the lab experiment or by finding a textbook or web resource. Then, the maths follows the practical.

Try googling. It's all there waiting for you.
 
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