Calculating Potential from Charge Density via Poisson Equation

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The discussion focuses on calculating the potential U(z) in a capacitor-like system with charged electrodes and a dense ionic liquid. The user employs the Poisson equation to derive the potential from the charge density, seeking clarification on a specific integral expression for potential in Gaussian units. They confirm that by treating the system as composed of infinite sheets, the potential can be expressed as an integral of charge density contributions. The mathematical derivation aligns with Gauss's law, showing the relationship between charge density and potential. The conversation concludes with a validation of the approach to calculating the potential from charge density.
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Hi,
I'm doing MD-simulations in a capacitor-like system: 2 charged electrodes with a dense ionic liquid in between (non-diluted) with periodic boundaries in 2 dimensions (so for the electrodes I get infinite planes (xy) ,charged).

I want to get the potential U(z) along the z-axis (witch is perpendicular to the electrodes). This is the superposition of the linear electrode pot. and the potential contribution of the ions.

So I calculate the charge density \rho(z) and use the poisson equation \nabla^2\Psi=-\frac{\rho}{\epsilon} to get the potential.

Now, in the http://pubs.acs.org/doi/suppl/10.1021/jp803440q/suppl_file/jp803440q_si_002.pdf" (page 3 on top) this potential (in gaussian units) is written as \Psi(z)=-\frac{4 \pi}{\epsilon^*} \int_0^z (z-z') \rho(z')dz'. Can someone explain/proof this expression?

Thanks,
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Ok, got think I got it now:

I calculated the charge density \rho(z) by splitting the system in infinite sheets (or boxes in practical numerics). The surface charge on sheet n is \sigma_n.

One sheet at position z_n gives me the potential \Psi(z)=-\frac{4 \pi}{\epsilon^*}\sigma_n (z-z_n).

For a continuous charge density I get the integral expression \Psi(z)=-\frac{4 \pi}{\epsilon^*} \int_0^z \rho(z') (z-z') dz'.

Correct?
 


I think you certainly can do it this way, by the linearity of the electric field contributed by each layer of charge of sheet density \sigman(zn)=\rho(z)dz, and then sum up (integrated with respect to z) the contribution to the potential of all layer of \rho(z)dz from 0 to z.

The mathematical formality is as followed, but it is equivalent to the method you employed (if I understood you correctly as stated above), starting with Gauss's law over unit area Gaussian column extending from electrode at 0 to z,

-\epsilon\nabla\psi=\int^{z}_{0}\rho(z^{'})dz^{'}
\Rightarrow\int^{z}_{0}\nabla\psidz^{'}=-\frac{1}{\epsilon}\int^{z}_{0}\int^{z^{'}}_{0}\rho(z^{''})dz^{''}dz^{'}
\Rightarrow\int^{z}_{0}d\psi=-\frac{1}{\epsilon}{z\int^{z}_{0}\rho(z^{'})dz^{'}-\int^{z}_{0}z^{'}\rho(z^{'})dz^{'}}
\Rightarrow\psi(z)=-\frac{1}{\epsilon}\int^{z}_{0}(z-z^{'})\rho(z^{'})dz^{'}

Note : Integrate by parts the right hand side of 2nd eqn to arrive at the 3rd eqn.
 
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