Charge density of a disk with radius a in cylindrical coordinates

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The discussion revolves around the formulation of charge density for a disk with radius a in cylindrical coordinates. Participants explore different expressions for the charge density, addressing potential mistakes and seeking clarification on the correct approach to such problems.

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  • One participant presents a formulation for the charge density, suggesting that the correct expression should include a specific constant and step function, but questions their own result against an alternative formulation.
  • Another participant notes the disappearance of the "ro" term in the denominator, indicating a potential oversight in the original formulation.
  • A different approach is suggested, starting with a uniform charge density expression that includes a delta function and step function, but concerns are raised about its applicability in spherical coordinates.
  • One participant provides a detailed expression for a cylindrical disk of finite height, showing how the charge density can be derived and confirming that it yields the correct total charge when integrated.
  • There is a request for clarification on why a certain approach does not yield correct results in spherical coordinates, inviting further discussion on the calculations involved.

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Participants express differing views on the correct formulation of charge density, with no consensus reached on the best approach. Some participants agree on the need for clarity in the mathematical expressions, while others challenge the applicability of certain methods in different coordinate systems.

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Participants highlight potential limitations in their approaches, including the dependence on coordinate systems and the need for careful handling of delta functions and step functions. There are unresolved questions regarding the routine methods for solving such problems.

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To write the uniform charge density of a disk with radius a in cylindrical coordinates, If we do this form:
[itex]\rho (x)=\frac{A\delta(z)\Theta (a-\rho)}{\rho}[/itex] (A is constant that sholud be determined and [itex]\theta[/itex]is step function), we get [itex]A=\frac{Q}{2\pi a}[/itex] and so:
[itex]\rho (x)=\frac{\frac{Q}{2\pi a}\delta(z)\Theta (a-\rho)}{\rho}[/itex]
But we know that the correct one is:
[itex]\rho (x)=Q\frac{\delta(z)\Theta (a-\rho)}{2\pi a^2}[/itex].
Could anyone please tell me what is my mistake?
 
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While I'm no expert on the subject, I DO notice that your "ro" term suddenly vanishes (term in the denominator).
 
Try starting with [itex]\rho (x)=A\delta(z)\Theta (a-\rho)[/itex]
 
dauto said:
Try starting with [itex]\rho (x)=A\delta(z)\Theta (a-\rho)[/itex]

Ok, in this special case it gives the correct answer, but in the spherical coordinate system it doesn't give the correct answer. My principle question is what is the routine way of solving such problems?
 
Take a cylindrical disk of finite height filled uniformly with a total charge [itex]Q[/itex]. Obviously the charge density is given by
[tex]\rho=\frac{Q}{\pi a^2 h} \Theta(a-r_{\perp}) \Theta(-h/2<z<h/2).[/tex]
I write [itex]r_{\perp}[/itex] for the radial coordinate in order to avoid conflicts with [itex]\rho[/itex] as the symbol for the charge density. In the limit [itex]h \rightarrow 0^+[/itex] this gives
[tex]\rho=\frac{Q}{\pi a^2} \Theta(a-r_{\perp}) \delta(z).[/tex]
You can easily check that this gives you the correct total charge,
[tex]\int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \mathrm{d}^3 \vec{x} \rho(\vec{x})=\int_{0}^{a} \mathrm{d} r_{\perp} \int_0^{2 \pi} \mathrm{d} \varphi \int_{\mathbb{R}} \mathrm{d}z r_{\perp} \frac{Q}{\pi a^2} \delta(z) = \frac{Q}{\pi a^2} 2 \pi \frac{a^2}{2}=Q.[/tex]
 
hokhani said:
Ok, in this special case it gives the correct answer, but in the spherical coordinate system it doesn't give the correct answer. My principle question is what is the routine way of solving such problems?

What do you mean it doesn't work in spherical coordinates? If you post your calculation I might be able to comment.
 

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