Calculating Power and Instantaneous Power - What's the difference?

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of power and instantaneous power in the context of a piston mechanism. Participants explore how to calculate these values using data related to crank angle, internal pressure, and other parameters, with a focus on MATLAB scripting for simulation and plotting.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the difference between power and instantaneous power, noting the formula P = F * v and expressing confusion about calculating instantaneous power.
  • Another participant suggests that the friend may also be interested in calculating RMS power over a full revolution.
  • A later reply proposes that ordinary average power is more appropriate than RMS, recommending the averaging of instantaneous powers over a time interval, ideally a whole number of revolutions.
  • There is a suggestion that if using radians per second for velocity, torque should be used instead of force for calculating instantaneous power.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether to calculate RMS power or ordinary average power, indicating that there is no consensus on the preferred method for this calculation.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of the time interval for averaging and the stability of the simulation, which may affect the choice of how to calculate power. There is also a dependency on the definitions of power in terms of force versus torque based on the units used.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals working on mechanical engineering projects involving pistons, those interested in power calculations in mechanical systems, and users of MATLAB for simulations related to these concepts.

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Hi all,

I'm not a mechanical engineer, so please forgive my ignorance if this is obvious.

I have a set of data that I'm working with for a piston which gives me the crank angle and internal pressure inside the cylider as the piston cranks. I've been given stroke length, cylinder bore & that the measurements were taken at 1200 RPM.

I've been asked by a friend to write a MATLAB script which calculates and plots the power and the instantaneous power. However I cannot understand what the difference is between the two.

I know that power can be calculated using P = F * v (from which I've half figured out that F is the force applied to the piston multiplied by the pressure and V is the velocity, which would need to be in radians per second in our case). What to do with instantaneous power has me totally stumped, though.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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That is instantaneous power. I'm guessing he might also want to have RMS power over a full revolution.
 
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That is instantaneous power. I'm guessing he might also want to have RMS power over a full revolution.

Oh wow, that certainly makes more sense. How does one go about calculating the RMS power?
 
Actually, now that I think about it, you definitely want ordinary average, not RMS. Especially, if you have only a few cylinders.

Just take an average of instantaneous powers over some time interval. Ideally, you should take a whole number of revolutions as your interval. If it works well with one, I'd go with that. If it doesn't, try taking a few more. Depends on what exactly will be going on with the simulation, how stable it will be, etc.

By the way, if you are using radians/s for V, you should be using torque instead of force. It's either force * linear velocity, or torque * angular velocity for instantaneous power.
 

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