Calculating Required Gain for Fifth Intermediate Amplifier

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The discussion revolves around calculating the required gain for the fifth intermediate amplifier in a superhetrodyne radio receiver. Participants analyze the signal levels at various stages of the receiver and how they contribute to the overall gain needed for the AM detector to function properly.

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Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 presents a detailed calculation of the input power level and the required gain for the fifth intermediate amplifier, concluding with a gain of approximately 17.73 dB.
  • Post 3 reiterates the calculation of the input signal power and provides a structured energy accounting method using a spreadsheet, confirming the need for a gain of +17.73 dB for the fifth amplifier.
  • Post 2 includes a reference to the figures and tables necessary for the calculations but does not add new information.
  • Post 4 expresses gratitude for the suggestion to use a spreadsheet for calculations, indicating a positive reception to the advice given.

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Participants generally agree on the calculations presented, particularly regarding the required gain of the fifth intermediate amplifier. However, there is no explicit consensus on the methodology or alternative approaches, as the discussion remains focused on the calculations provided.

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The discussion relies on specific assumptions about the signal levels and the performance characteristics of the components in the receiver, which may not be universally applicable without further context.

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This discussion may be useful for students or professionals working on radio frequency systems, particularly those interested in amplifier design and signal processing in communication systems.

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Homework Statement


FIGURE 1 shows the block diagram of a superhetrodyne radio receiver.
In a test a 20 μV signal was fed from the aerial into the first stage of the
receiver, a radio frequency amplifier. This signal is the passed through
several stages of the receiver to eventually appear at the input to the AM
detector. For the AM detector to work satisfactory it requires a minimum
signal level of –3dB(mW). Calculate the required minimum gain of the
fifth intermediate amplifier given the data in TABLE 1.

Fig 1 looks like the below

Ariel (20microV, 75ohms) > Amplifier > Mixer . Band Pass Filter > Intermetiate Amp 1 > Inter Amp 2 > Inter Amp 3 > Inter Amp 4 > Inter Amp 5 > AM Detector (needs -3dB (mW).
Table 1 is below

RF amp = +10dB
Mixer = -7dB
Band pass filter = -1dB
Intermediate amp = +15dB
IA2 = +15dB
IA3 = +20dB
IA4 = 10dB

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Find input power level coming into the system:

P = V^2 / R = 0.00002^2 / 75 = 5.3333e-12W (or 5.3333e-9 mW)

Convert mW to dB(mW)

10 x Log (5.3333e-9) = -82.73 dB(mW)

So, the total system gain is the sum of all gains, so if we have -82.73 in, and want -3 out, then:

-3 = (-82.73) + 10 + (-7) + (-1) + 15 + 15 + 10 + IA5

-3 = -20.73 + IA5

IA5 = -3 + 20.73 = 17.73.

Therefore the gain at intermediate amplifier 5 is 17.73dB (or 18dB)

Is this going in the right direction? or correct?

Thanks
 
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Input signal is 20uV in 75 ohms. Convert to power, to mW then to dBm.
W = V^2 / R = 20e-6 * 20e-6 / 75 = 5.333e-12W = 5.333e-9 mW
dBm = 10 * Log( 5.333e-9 ) = -82.73 dBm
Advice; Use a spreadsheet to balance the energy account.
Code:
Description   Debit   Credit dB    Balance dBm
Input signal   –      -82.73 dBm   -82.73
RF amp         –       10 dB       -72.73
Mixer         7 dB      –          -79.73
BPF           1 dB      –          -80.73
IF Amp 1       –       15 dB       -65.73
IA2            –       15 dB       -50.73
IA3            –       20 dB       -30.73
IA4            –       10 dB       -20.73
Detector       –        3 dBm      -17.73
So; IF amp 5 will need gain a gain of +17.73 dB to balance the energy account.

You are correct.
 
Thankyou Baluncore.

I didnt think of using a spread sheet. Thanks for the tip...

Kr
Craig
 

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