Calculating RoE for AC Equivalent Transistor Amplifiers

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the output resistance (roe) for AC equivalent transistor amplifiers, specifically focusing on the 2N2222 transistor. Participants explore methods for determining roe based on the transistor's output characteristics and the DC load line.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to find roe, suggesting a method involving the change in voltage divided by the change in base current (Ib) from the Q point.
  • Another participant argues that roe should be the ratio of a small change in collector voltage to a small change in collector current, asserting that Ib is not involved in this calculation.
  • A third participant humorously points out a misunderstanding regarding the term "roe," suggesting it might refer to fish eggs instead of the intended parameter.
  • A later reply clarifies that the OP likely meant the h-parameter h_{oe}, explaining that the slope of the curve at the Q-point corresponds to this parameter and that the output resistance can be calculated as the reciprocal of h_{oe}.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct approach to calculating roe, with no consensus reached on the method. There is also some confusion regarding terminology, but clarification is provided regarding the h-parameter.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the definitions and calculations involved in determining roe, particularly in relation to the Q-point and the relevant parameters.

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Hey everyone,

In my EET program we're going over AC equivalent transistor amplifiers. We've gone over how to do some of them in class but I can't seem to figure out how to find roe. I have the output characteristic of our 2N2222 transistor and made the DC load line but I'm not sure were to go from there. Am I supposed to take the change in voltage and divide it by the change in Ib (from the Q point)?

Thanks for the help!
 
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I would think that roe would be the ratio of a small change in collector voltage to the small change in collector accompanying it; Ib is not involved. It should be fairly large, as you can see by looking at the characteristic curves; notice how they are almost horizontal.
 
roe is fish eggs.

Perhaps you mean \rho or rho.
 
Integral said:
roe is fish eggs.

Perhaps you mean \rho or rho.

no, i think he means one of the "h-parameters" called h_{oe} (or the reciprocal of it).

where the quiessent point is (the "Q-point") in the IC vs. VCE, the slope of the curve at that point is your h_{oe} parameter. that slope should be pretty small for a decent BJT and is physically a conductance quantity. the reciprocal of that slope is the output resistance of the Norton or Thevenin equivalent of the dependent source that models the transistor.

r_{oe} = \frac{1}{h_{oe}}

that's what i think the OP means.
 
That's it, thanks rbj.

Sorry about the confusion; I didn't realized the formula function on here.
 

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