Calculating Speed of Roller Coaster Car at Top of Loop-the-Loop

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The discussion revolves around calculating the speed of a roller coaster car at the top of a loop with a 60m diameter. Participants clarify that the normal force equals the gravitational force at this point, leading to the conclusion that the net force in the vertical direction is zero. The centripetal force is determined to be twice the gravitational force, resulting in the equation 2mg = mv²/r. The confusion primarily stems from understanding the forces acting on the car while it is upside down. Ultimately, the correct relationship between the forces allows for the calculation of the car's speed at the top of the loop.
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Homework Statement


The normal force equals the magnitude of the gravitational force as a roller coaster car crosses the top of a 60m diameter loop-the-loop.



Homework Equations


What is the car's speed at the top?


The Attempt at a Solution


hello, this problem doesn't give much information
would normal force be pointing down?

so Fnet= ma=mv^2/r but its doesn't give those variables

can anyone help?
thanks :)
 
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Don't you have all you need?

Draw a diagram.

m*g down and mv2/r up

But it says the Normal force is still m*g

If the net force must be m*g and you have m*g acting down against the centripetal force, what must the centripetal force be?
 
Is the net force in the y direction zero?

does the centripetal force = 2mg since normal and gravity both point downward?

im lost since this coaster is upside down
 
ceday said:
Is the net force in the y direction zero?

does the centripetal force = 2mg since normal and gravity both point downward?

im lost since this coaster is upside down

Not lost at all.

The centripetal force is 2*m*g.
 
so would net force in the y direction = zero?

if it is zero, i don't think it would be solvable because we don't know the mass

wouldnt it be 0=mv2/r
 
ok, i got the answer but i used the net force=2mg
i still don't understand why this is so
 
ceday said:
ok, i got the answer but i used the net force=2mg
i still don't understand why this is so

FNormal = ∑ F = Fcentrip - Fgravity

m*g = m*v2/r - m*g

2*m*g = m*v2/r
 
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