Calculating the Time an Airplane Will Reach an Airport

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The discussion revolves around calculating the time it takes for an airplane to reach an airport given its initial position, velocity, and the airport's coordinates. Participants explore the mathematical relationships involved in this calculation, focusing on displacement and the relevance of the vertical coordinate in the context of the problem.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the initial problem of finding the time for the airplane to reach the airport, specifying the airplane's position and velocity.
  • Another participant suggests using the equation \( x = vt \) to relate displacement, velocity, and time, questioning the omission of the vertical coordinate \( k \) in the calculations.
  • A participant raises a question about the choice of displacement formula, asking why the displacement is calculated only in the horizontal plane and not considering the vertical position of the airplane and airport.
  • Clarification is provided regarding the concept of displacement as a vector and the use of the distance formula to find the magnitude of the displacement between the two points in the horizontal plane.
  • Participants discuss the magnitude of the airplane's velocity and its implications for the calculation, with one participant providing an approximate value for the speed based on the velocity components.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of the vertical coordinate in the calculations and the method for determining displacement. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to incorporate the vertical position into the time calculation.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the assumptions made regarding the vertical motion of the airplane and how it affects the overall calculation of time to reach the airport. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity on the definitions and applications of displacement in this context.

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Hello! (Wave)

An airplane is at the position $(3,4,5)$ at noon and travels with velocity $400 i+500 j-k$ kilometers per hour.
The pilot detects an airport at the position $(23, 29,0)$.
How can we find the time at which the airplane will pass exactly over the airport?
We suppose that the Earth is flat and the vector $k$ shows upwards.
 
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evinda said:
Hello! (Wave)

An airplane is at the position $(3,4,5)$ at noon and travels with velocity $400 i+500 j-k$ kilometers per hour.
The pilot detects an airport at the position $(23, 29,0)$.
How can we find the time at which the airplane will pass exactly over the airport?
We suppose that the Earth is flat and the vector $k$ shows upwards.
x = v t. where x is the displacement, v is the velocity, and t is the time it takes to travel x.

Since the plane is flying with a constant velocity and is always flying in the same direction we can take the magnitude of the above equation to get x = vt, where x = |(23, 29) - (3, 4)| and v = |(400, 500)|.

A question for you: Why can we ignore the k coordinate? And check to make sure the plane doesn't plow itself into the ground before it gets to the airport!

-Dan
 
topsquark said:
x = v t. where x is the displacement, v is the velocity, and t is the time it takes to travel x.

Since the plane is flying with a constant velocity and is always flying in the same direction we can take the magnitude of the above equation to get x = vt, where x = |(23, 29) - (3, 4)| and v = |(400, 500)|.

A question for you: Why can we ignore the k coordinate? And check to make sure the plane doesn't plow itself into the ground before it gets to the airport!

-Dan

Could you explain to me what you mean by displacement?
Why do we pick $ x = |(23, 29) - (3, 4)|$ and don't use the formula $x=vt$ twice , once for $x=(3,4,5)$ and once for $x=(23,29,0)$ ?
 
evinda said:
Could you explain to me what you mean by displacement?
Why do we pick $ x = |(23, 29) - (3, 4)|$ and don't use the formula $x=vt$ twice , once for $x=(3,4,5)$ and once for $x=(23,29,0)$ ?
The displacement is a vector in the direction from initial point (typically a point fixed in space) to a final point. Loosely speaking it is a "directed distance." A common displacement is the displacement between the position of an object measured from a fixed origin...This is called the "position vector" and is used quite often.

Sorry, I'm using a vector format to write the equation. For example, if we want to find the distance from the point (3, 4) to (23, 29) then we can use the distance formula [math]d = |(23, 29) - (3, 4)| = \sqrt{(23 - 3)^2 + (29 - 4)^2} \approx 32.0[/math]. In a similar fashion we can get the magnitude of the velocity (another vector!) to find [math]v = \sqrt{400^2 + 500^2} \approx 640.3 \text{ km/hr}[/math].

If that's not clear just let me know and I'll give you more info.

-Dan
 

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