Calculating the velocity of a molecule

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The discussion revolves around calculating the velocity of a molecule using a given function that represents its velocity. The problem involves finding the derivative of this function and determining the velocity at which the derivative equals zero, with specific parameters provided for temperature, mass, and the Boltzmann constant.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the derivative of the velocity function and the subsequent steps to find the velocity when the derivative equals zero. There are questions about the correctness of the derived formula and the units associated with the final velocity calculation.

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Some participants have shared their calculated answers and engaged in clarifying the units of measurement. There appears to be a productive exchange regarding the conversion of units and the importance of unit consistency in calculations.

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Participants are navigating the implications of unit conversions and ensuring that their final answers are expressed correctly. There is an emphasis on the need for clarity in units when presenting answers in physics problems.

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Hi, I'm stuck on a problem. I have this function that represents the velocity:
f(v)=v2e(-mv2)/(2kT)

T is the temperature and equals 293.15K
m = 4.65 .10-26 kg
k = 1.38 .10-23 J/K

The problem wants us to find the derivative of the function. I found:
df/dv= (2v) e(-mv2)/(2kT)+v2e(-mv2)/(2kT)(-2mv/2kT)
= ve(-mv2)/(2kT) (2- (mv2/kT))


I know the derivative I found is right, but now, I have to find the velocity for df/dv=0

We know v>0 and ex>0
So, df/dv=0 => (mv2)/kT = 2
=> v= √(2kT/m)


That's where I'm stuck. The book tells me the answer is 1500km/h.
I don't understand this solution. I calculated many many times and didn't found the right solution. Can someone please help me? :cry:
 
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What answer did you get? Did you get 417? What are the units of that?
If you got a different answer, can you show us exactly how you got it? Your formula looks right.
 
mjc123 said:
What answer did you get? Did you get 417? What are the units of that?
If you got a different answer, can you show us exactly how you got it? Your formula looks right.

Yes, I got 417!
I just plugged in all the values in the last equation that I wrote, v= √(2kT/m).
Since k is in J/K, T in K and m in kg, the unit of v is J/kg.
J also equals kg m2 s-2 so I assume the unit of v can also be m2s-2?
 
Oh, I got it! My answer is then in m.s-1 and I just need to multiply by 3.6.
417*3.6=1501 km.h-1

Thank you for the help :)
 
Can't emphasise enough the importance of thinking UNITS, UNITS, UNITS; ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS! It will save you a lot of trouble and avoid a lot of mistakes, both with homework questions like this and real problems in doing science.
For example, if you are asked for a velocity, the answer CANNOT be (e.g.) 417. It must be 417 SOMETHING - m/s, km/h, furlongs per fortnight or whatever. If you did that you would immediately see that your answer was not necessarily wrong, but another step was needed.
 
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