Calculating Volume: Solving for y=sec x, -1≤x≤1

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The discussion revolves around calculating the volume of a solid formed by revolving the area between the curves y = sec(x) and y = 1, bounded by x = -1 and x = 1, around the x-axis. Participants are exploring the setup and integration process for this problem.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the need for sketches to visualize the problem and clarify the area of interest. There are attempts to set up the integral for volume calculation, with some confusion regarding the correct expression for the area and the application of the washer method. Questions arise about the roles of outer and inner radii in the context of the problem.

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Several participants have provided guidance on sketching the problem and clarifying the setup for the integral. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to the volume calculation, with some participants expressing uncertainty about their previous attempts and the need for further clarification on the method.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, including the bounds of integration and the definitions of outer and inner radii when revolving around a line other than the x-axis. There is acknowledgment of potential misinterpretations of the problem setup.

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Hi, I am having a little trouble with this question, I am trying to find the volume of the solid after revolving it.

y=sec x, y=1, x=-1, x=1, about the x-axis

what I did:

A(x)= \frac{ \pi}{(cosx)^2}

and then I integrated from -1 to 1...(my integral came out to \frac{-1}{sinx})
and I got an answer that came out negative..

can anyone help?
 
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Have you made a sketch of the problem?

Don't forget that you're only considering the area between y = sec(x) and y = 1!
 
ohhhhhh..yeah i think i read the question wrong..il try again
 
Ok, a sketch will really help. Also, (tan(x))' = sec²(x), in case you had forgotten :smile:
 
ok..i tried it again..but I am still getting it wrong..

heres what i have:

A(x)=\pi(1-(secx)^2)

and then i integrated from -1 to 1 and then i ended up with somethign around 14
 
Why 1-sec²x ?
 
im not really sure how to do this one..dont you do this..A=pi(outer radius)^2 - pi(inner radius)^2..i think its called the washer method
 
Yes, but on [-1,1], which one is the 'outer radius'? I believe sec(x) >= 1 there...

Remember that sec(x) = 1/cos(x) and cos(x) is bounded between [-1,1]. So without looking at the sign, in absolute value, |sec(x)| will never be smaller than 1.
 
yeah..that makes sense..i just looked at my sketch..I drew it wrong
 
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i got something around 3.5...sounds better
 
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I'm getting the same :smile:

<br /> \pi \int\limits_{ - 1}^1 {\sec ^2 x - 1dx} = 2\pi \left( {\tan 1 - 1} \right) \approx 3.5<br />

A good sketch will lead you to the answer :wink:
 
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ok, thanks, IM having trouble with another one..Im having rouble seting it up. y=x and y=0, x=2, x=4 about x=1

I drew the two lines..its a pretty simple graph but what does it mean to revolve it around x=1?and do i still have to do the outer radius-inner radius?
 
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The formula for the volume of a solid of revolution, rotated about the x-axis was:

<br /> \pi \int\limits_a^b {y^2 dx} <br />

Here, y = f(x). By using inner/outer radii and substracting, you could use this formula as well when the rotation axis was parallel to the x-axis.
Now, for revolving about the y-axis, or a line parallel to that such as x = 1, the formula logically becomes:

<br /> \pi \int\limits_a^b {x^2 dy} <br />

And here, x = f(y).

In your problem, I think you'll have to split it in two integrals.
 
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hrmm..still confused..im never split it into two before
 
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Well, your 'outer radius' will be x = 4 all the time. But the inner radius will change. Between y = 0 and y = 2, the inner radius is x = 2. But from y = 2 till y = 4, the inner radius will be y = x. If you have a good sketch, you should be able to see this :smile:
 

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