Calculation boundary terms of a functional

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving equilibrium equations from a given functional in the u, v, and w directions, with a focus on finding the associated boundary terms. Participants are exploring the mathematical steps involved in this process, including integration techniques and conditions for boundary terms to vanish.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to proceed after deriving five equilibrium equations, suggesting a need for clarification on the boundary terms.
  • Another participant proposes a method for determining the variation of the functional, suggesting the use of an integrand denoted as L and discussing the integration process term by term.
  • The second participant emphasizes the importance of boundary conditions, indicating that ideally the perturbation should vanish on the boundary to eliminate boundary terms.
  • There is a mention of needing to integrate by parts for second derivatives, with a focus on ensuring that boundary terms vanish under certain conditions.
  • A later reply questions the number of equilibrium equations, suggesting there should be three instead of five, indicating a potential error in the initial derivation.
  • Another participant expresses intent to solve the problem based on the provided explanation, seeking confirmation on their understanding of the process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the number of equilibrium equations, with one suggesting three and another asserting five. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correctness of the derived equations and the integration steps.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of missing assumptions regarding boundary conditions and the definitions of terms used in the equations. The discussion also highlights unresolved mathematical steps in the integration process.

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Dear all,

I am stuck with the problem which is given below;
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In this problem the equilibrium equations of the given functional must be derived in u, v, and w directions from which the boundary terms must be found. I think that i have derived the equilibrium equations( 5 equations), but i don't know how to proceed. Does anyone maybe know how to do it??


Thanks in advance,
 

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ronaldinho52 said:
Dear all,

I am stuck with the problem which is given below;
attachment.php?attachmentid=62140&stc=1&d=1380043019.png


In this problem the equilibrium equations of the given functional must be derived in u, v, and w directions from which the boundary terms must be found. I think that i have derived the equilibrium equations( 5 equations), but i don't know how to proceed. Does anyone maybe know how to do it??

I think you're missing a name for the integrand. I will use L.

To determine \delta I, integrate L(u + h, \dots, v + k, \dots, w + l, \dots) - L(u, \dots, v, \dots, w, \dots) term by term. You can swap the order of integration so that terms involving derivatives with respect to x are integrated with respect to x first, and terms involving derivatives with respect to y are integrated with respect to y first.

For example, for the u_{,x} term you get:
<br /> \int_a^b \int_c^d h_{,x} \frac{\partial L}{\partial u_{,x}}\,\mathrm{d}x \,\mathrm{d}y<br /> = \int_a^b \left[ h \frac{\partial L}{\partial u_{,x}}\right]_c^d\,\mathrm{d}y - \int_a^b \int_c^d h \frac{\partial}{\partial x} \left(\frac{\partial L}{\partial u_{,x}}\right)\,\mathrm{d}x\,\mathrm{d}y

(The antiderivative with respect to x of h_{,x} is h + A(y) for an arbitrary function A; but it will be the same function at both x = c and x = d, so it cancels out.)

Ideally the conditions of your problem are such that the perturbation h vanishes everywhere on the boundary, so the boundary term vanishes.

With the second derivatives of w you have to integrate by parts twice:
<br /> \int_a^b \int_c^d l_{,xx} \frac{\partial L}{\partial w_{,xx}}\,\mathrm{d}x \,\mathrm{d}y<br /> = \int_a^b \left[ l_{,x} \frac{\partial L}{\partial w_{,xx}} \right]_c^d\,\mathrm{d}y<br /> - \int_a^b \int_c^d l_{,x} \frac{\partial}{\partial x}\left(\frac{\partial L}{\partial w_{,xx}}\right)\,\mathrm{d}x \,\mathrm{d}y<br />
Again, one would hope that the conditions of your problem require that l_{,x} vanishes on the boundary, so the boundary term vanishes. The remaining term is dealt with as for the other first derivatives.

Incidentally, I believe there should be three equilibrium equations (one each for u, v and w) so if you have five then you have made an error somewhere.
 
I will try to solve the question now with your explanation. Thank you very much!
 
Regarding your explanation I ended up with the following equation to be solved.

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Is this correct or did I get your explanation totally wrong??(btw i forgot the dxdy term at the end of the equation)
 

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