Calculation of range for signal with damping

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The discussion focuses on calculating the range for a signal with a frequency of 0.5 MHz, given a transmitting power of 0.1 mW and a required signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) of 30 dB. The damping for the signal is defined by the equation L = 10 + 8.0*f [dB/km]. Participants emphasize the importance of converting the transmitting power to dBm and calculating the necessary received signal power based on the provided noise level of -100 dBm. The final goal is to derive an equation for path loss attenuation and solve for distance.

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Homework Statement



Given the transmitting power of 0.1 mW and received noise of -100 dBm. Consider a signal which needs a SNR of 30 dB. Calculate the range for a signal of 0.5 MHz given that the damping for the signal is calculated as:

L = 10 +8.0*f [dB/km] where f is the frequency in MHz


Homework Equations



SNR = "Signal power" / "Noise Power"

S_dBm = 10 log * (P1 / 1mw)

The Attempt at a Solution



I am kinda stuck on how to approach this problem so suggestions are mostly welcome!
 
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dolle39 said:

Homework Statement



Given the transmitting power of 0.1 mW and received noise of -100 dBm. Consider a signal which needs a SNR of 30 dB. Calculate the range for a signal of 0.5 MHz given that the damping for the signal is calculated as:

L = 10 +8.0*f [dB/km] where f is the frequency in MHz


Homework Equations



SNR = "Signal power" / "Noise Power"

S_dBm = 10 log * (P1 / 1mw)

The Attempt at a Solution



I am kinda stuck on how to approach this problem so suggestions are mostly welcome!
There's a few things you'll need to do first before putting everything together.
  • The noise power is given, and the signal to noise ratio is also given. Calculate the necessary, received signal power (and just keep it in terms of dBm, it will make things easier that way).
  • Eventually, you will need to convert 0.1 mW to units of dBm. You might as well do that next.
  • Plug in the 0.5 MHz for f and calculate L. Now realize that L, the path loss attenuation figure, is in units of dB/km. [STRIKE]Express L as something like a/d were a is in units of dB and d is in units of km.[/STRIKE] Eventually you'll be solving for d after you put everything together.

Edit: The way I wrote that last part is sort of confusing now that I think about it. L is in units of dB/km. What you'll want to do is come up with an equation that gives attenuation, in dB, for a given distance, like A = Ld where A is the loss in units of dB, and d is the distance in km. You'll still be solving for d though, once everything is put together. That's essentially the same thing as I originally wrote, but I hope worded a little more clearly.
 
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