CALCULUS, EXTREME VALUES of function on interval and where they occur

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The discussion revolves around finding extreme values of functions within specified intervals, specifically focusing on the functions \( y = \cos(x - \frac{\pi}{4}) \) over the interval \([0, \frac{7\pi}{4}]\) and \( y = \frac{4x}{x^2 + 1} \). Participants are exploring the critical points and evaluating function values at specific points.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss their attempts to find critical points and evaluate function values, questioning the correctness of their calculations, particularly regarding the evaluation of \( f(0) \) for the cosine function and the application of the quotient rule for the second function.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the critical points for both functions, with participants providing feedback and corrections to each other's work. Some participants have noted errors in the original poster's calculations and are clarifying the use of derivative rules. Multiple interpretations of the results are being examined, particularly regarding the existence of extreme values.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available for discussion. There is also a mention of confusion regarding the definitions of critical points and the evaluation of derivatives.

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CALCULUS, EXTREME VALUES of function on interval and where they occur!

find the extreme value of function on the interval and where they occur.
Please Help, teacher did during class but didnt get explanation.

1. y=cos(x-(pi/4)) , at the interval of [0,7pi/4]
My attempt: y'= -sin (x-(pi/4))
y= pi/4, 5pi/4

f(0)= -1/sqrt(2) f(7pi/4)= 0 f(pi/4)= 0 f(5pi/4)=-1
Max of 1 @ x=pi/4
Min of -1 at x=5pi/4
teacher said f(0) was wrong i don't know why

2. y= 4x/(x^2+1)
My attempt: y'= -4x/(x^2+1)^2
f(0)=0
Max of 0 at x=0
dont know why i got that wrong

tnx a lot
 
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For f(0) it's -sin(-pi/4) = - (-sqrt2 / 2) = sqrt2 / 2 = 1/sqrt2
Could you show your work for how you got f'(x) for #2?
 


murmillo said:
For f(0) it's -sin(-pi/4) = - (-sqrt2 / 2) = sqrt2 / 2 = 1/sqrt2
Could you show your work for how you got f'(x) for #2?

For f(0) the negitive of sin is later added onto -1/sqrt(2) right? making it positive? ok i see what i did.
y= 4x(x^2+1)^-1
y'=-4x(x^2+1)^-2

oh ... shoot i was supposed to use quotient rule right?

thanks a lot i kind of get calculus a little bit more
 
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For #1, when you say f(0), you mean f(0)=cos(0-(pi/4))? Or f'(0)?

For #2, you're supposed to use the quotient rule.
 


yes, i mean the cos one not f'(0)
when you are looking for critical points you plug in 0 of f(0) into the original/position equation right? i think i did that right just forgot about the pos/neg stuff
 


golf747 said:
find the extreme value of function on the interval and where they occur.
Please Help, teacher did during class but didnt get explanation.

1. y=cos(x-(pi/4)) , at the interval of [0,7pi/4]
My attempt: y'= -sin (x-(pi/4))
y= pi/4, 5pi/4
You mean x, not y.

f(0)= -1/sqrt(2) f(7pi/4)= 0 f(pi/4)= 0 f(5pi/4)=-1
Max of 1 @ x=pi/4
Min of -1 at x=5pi/4
teacher said f(0) was wrong i don't know why
f(0)= cos(-pi/4)= cos(pi/4)= 1/sqrt(2). Cosine is an even function.

2. y= 4x/(x^2+1)
My attempt: y'= -4x/(x^2+1)^2
f(0)=0
Max of 0 at x=0
dont know why i got that wrong

tnx a lot
What interval was this on? The entire real line? A continuous function does not necessarily have a max or min on such an interval. Here, it should be clear that y is positive for positive x so 0 cannot be a maximum. In any case, you have the derivative wrong. Try it again.
 


ok. i think i got #2 down.

2. y'= 4(x^2+1) - 4x(x)
________________
(x^2+1)^2

= 4x^2+4-8x^2
_______________
(x^2+1)^2

0 is only critical pt?
f(0) = 0

sine chart for 0
-2 = neg and 2 = neg so... no extreme values??
 
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golf747 said:
ok. i think i got #2 down.

2. y'= 4(x^2+1) - 4x(x)
________________
(x^2+1)^2

= 4x^2+4-8x^2
_______________
(x^2+1)^2

0 is only critical pt?
f(0) = 0

sine chart for 0
-2 = neg and 2 = neg so... no extreme values??

Am i correct?? did i perform the steps right? Thanks
 


How is it that x = 0 is a critical point?

The derivative looks OK now.
 
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golf747 said:
ok. i think i got #2 down.

2. y'= 4(x^2+1) - 4x(x)
________________
(x^2+1)^2

= 4x^2+4-8x^2
_______________
(x^2+1)^2

0 is only critical pt?
f(0) = 0
No, 0 is not a critical point. f'(0) exists and is not 0. The numerator of the derivative is 4- 4x^2 which is 0 at x= 1 and x= -1. The denominator is never 0.


sine chart for 0
-2 = neg and 2 = neg so... no extreme values??
You mean "sign", not "sine".
 

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