Calculus, Integrals with Natural Logarithms

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the integration of the function ∫tan^2(2x)/sec^2(x) dx, with a focus on the use of substitution methods involving natural logarithms. Participants explore the implications of their substitutions and the relationships between trigonometric functions in the context of calculus.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of substitution, specifically u=sec(2x) and its derivative. There are attempts to rewrite the integrand and clarify the role of constants in the substitution process. Questions arise about the accuracy of the derivative and the implications of flipping constants in the expressions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on the correct application of substitution and addressing misunderstandings regarding the constants involved. There is a recognition of the need to account for specific factors in the integration process, but no consensus on a final solution has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion regarding the manipulation of trigonometric functions and the constants in their substitutions. There is an emphasis on ensuring that all components of the substitution are accurately represented in the integration process.

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Homework Statement



∫tan^2(2x)/sec2x dx; u=sec2x; du=1/2tan^2(2x)dx.

Homework Equations


∫1/x(dx)-ln|x|+C.
∫1/u(du)=ln|u|+C

The Attempt at a Solution


This is me trying to rewrite the equation. (sin^2(2x)/cos^2(2x))/(1/cos2x), (sin^2(2x))/(cos(2x)).

Honestly, I feel lost trying to find a differential on the denominator, to change into the numerator.
 
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ermac said:

Homework Statement



∫tan^2(2x)/sec2x dx; u=sec2x; du=1/2tan^2(2x)dx.

Homework Equations


∫1/x(dx)-ln|x|+C.
∫1/u(du)=ln|u|+C

The Attempt at a Solution


This is me trying to rewrite the equation. (sin^2(2x)/cos^2(2x))/(1/cos2x), (sin^2(2x))/(cos(2x)).

Honestly, I feel lost trying to find a differential on the denominator, to change into the numerator.

But you as good as had it after the substitution... you just need to use u=sec(2x), du=2tan^2(2x) dx... which you had, except for the fact that you flipped the two. Don't try to do all of what you're doing, when you had it at the substitution. Now you just need to substitute.
 
I'm sorry, but what two did I flip?
 
The two. As in you flipped the 2, in your du expression.

Instead of .5tan^2(2x), you should have 2tan^2(2x).
 
So, no changing into different trig functions or anything like that? Just ln|sec(2x)|+C?
 
ermac said:
So, no changing into different trig functions or anything like that? Just ln|sec(2x)|+C?

No, no changing into different trig functions, but you did forget that two.

If du=tan^2(2x) dx, then you'd be right.

But du=2tan^2(2x) dx.

That two needs to be accounted for...
 
Char. Limit said:
No, no changing into different trig functions, but you did forget that two.

If du=tan^2(2x) dx, then you'd be right.

But du=2tan^2(2x) dx.

That two needs to be accounted for...

Sorry about my guess and check, but would that two essentially come out to the front because of the chain rule, making it 2ln|sec(2x)|+C?
 
ermac said:
Sorry about my guess and check, but would that two essentially come out to the front because of the chain rule, making it 2ln|sec(2x)|+C?

Almost. You have tan^2(2x) dx in the integrand, so you want to isolate it in the substitution formula by dividing both sides by two.

du=2tan^2(2x) dx

(1/2)du=tan^2(2x) dx

Then you put the 1/2 du in, and take the constant out of the integrand.
 
Would the constant in this case be 2x? Oh wait, could 1/2ln|sec(2x)|+C, remove the 2 in front of the tan^2(2x)?
 
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Now you've got the right answer.
 
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Thank you for the help.
 

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