Can a Ducted Fan Serve as Both a Propulsor and a Wind Turbine?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Turbofrog
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Fan
AI Thread Summary
The discussion explores the feasibility of using a ducted fan in an airship as both a propulsor and a wind turbine. The mechanical aspects, such as gearbox requirements and operational RPM ranges for each function, are critical considerations, along with the aerodynamics of the ducted design. While ducted fans are noted for their efficiency in propulsion due to reduced drag, the impact on efficiency when generating electricity remains uncertain. A hybrid H2-air fuel cell system is proposed to mitigate the weight of batteries, enhancing the airship's design. The duct design may need adjustments for optimal performance in both roles, but both applications share a similar airfoil profile.
Turbofrog
Messages
2
Reaction score
0
So I'm working on a thesis project at the moment designing an airship, and I've run into a bit of a stumbling point.

I'm wondering if it would be possible to have a propeller that works to produce propulsive power when it needs to fly, but when the craft is tethered could operate as an electricity-generating wind turbine. The electrical system is definitely capable of it, but what I'm unsure about are the mechanicals (i.e. the gearbox and operational rpm ranges for both different applications), and more importantly the aerodynamics.

I've read that ducted fans are more efficient for propulsion, but to be honest, I'm not exactly sure why. Obviously the effects of the duct on the aerodynamic flow around the propeller would have a big impact on the efficiency of it as a generator, and I'm not sure whether they would be positive or negative.

I have some reading to do on actuator disc theory and fluid dynamics, but I must say I'm in over my head (I'm an industrial designer, not an engineer, by trade, so this entire thesis has been a serious crash course in the fun math and physics side of things).

At the moment I'm not too overly concerned about the specifics so much as a basic idea of whether or not it's feasible.

I greatly appreciate any help, and thanks in advance!
 
Engineering news on Phys.org
an airship needs to be light weight
batterys are heavy
so I fail to see a big gain from electricity-generating wind turbine

but a ducted fan could make power
the main gain is from reduced tip drag votex drag
vairable pitch props should solve the gear/rpm problem
 
Thanks for the reply.

Instead of using heavy batteries as accumulators, the plan is to use a hybrid H2-air fuel cell/supercapacitor system to smooth out the input from solar cells and the wind turbine before it goes to the inverter. If hydrogen is used as the lift gas, then there's an ample supply for the fuel cell, and it can be over-inflated at tethered altitudes to provide enough buffer capacity, since it doesn't need the additional air volume in the ballonets to provide the pressure height (which should free up about 10% of the available internal volume...that's huge).

Variable pitch props make sense. My only real concern was whether the actual duct design would be dramatically different for use as a propulsor or as a generator. But from what I've been able to find, they both use a roughly airfoil-shaped profile - ducted wind turbines have a much more significant flare towards the outlet, but I think that might partly be because drag isn't a factor on a static turbine.
 
Here's a video by “driving 4 answers” who seems to me to be well versed on the details of Internal Combustion engines. The video does cover something that's a bit shrouded in 'conspiracy theory', and he touches on that, but of course for phys.org, I'm only interested in the actual science involved. He analyzes the claim of achieving 100 mpg with a 427 cubic inch V8 1970 Ford Galaxy in 1977. Only the fuel supply system was modified. I was surprised that he feels the claim could have been...
TL;DR Summary: Heard in the news about using sonar to locate the sub Hello : After the sinking of the ship near the Greek shores , carrying of alot of people , there was another accident that include 5 tourists and a submarine visiting the titanic , which went missing Some technical notes captured my attention, that there us few sonar devices are hearing sounds repeated every 30 seconds , but they are not able to locate the source Is it possible that the sound waves are reflecting from...
Thread 'Turbocharging carbureted petrol 2 stroke engines'
Hi everyone, online I ve seen some images about 2 stroke carbureted turbo (motorcycle derivation engine). Now.. In the past in this forum some members spoke about turbocharging 2 stroke but not in sufficient detail. The intake and the exhaust are open at the same time and there are no valves like a 4 stroke. But if you search online you can find carbureted 2stroke turbo sled or the Am6 turbo. The question is: Is really possible turbocharge a 2 stroke carburated(NOT EFI)petrol engine and...

Similar threads

Replies
2
Views
3K
Replies
26
Views
13K
Replies
16
Views
7K
Replies
15
Views
23K
Replies
9
Views
2K
Replies
7
Views
5K
Back
Top