Can a planet/moon's atmosphere generate a magnetic field?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on whether a planet or moon's atmosphere can generate a magnetic field, particularly in the absence of a large nearby planet. Participants explore the mechanisms behind magnetic field generation, including the role of conductive materials and atmospheric phenomena.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a sustainable magnetic field requires a conductive core and rotation, emphasizing the dynamo effect as essential for magnetic field generation.
  • Others suggest that atmospheric phenomena, such as electrical storms, could potentially contribute to magnetic field generation under certain conditions.
  • A participant raises the idea of large-scale atmospheric features, like Jupiter's Red Eye, possibly creating localized magnetic fields, although they note the necessity of conductive materials like nickel and iron.
  • Discussion includes the observation that Uranus and Neptune have magnetic dipoles that are significantly offset from their centers, which challenges conventional theories about magnetic field generation.
  • Another participant mentions the Moon's magnetic anomalies, which form mini-magnetic fields and could interact with solar wind, suggesting potential for artificial enhancement of these fields for future human exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the mechanisms of magnetic field generation, with no consensus reached on the role of atmospheres versus cores. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the potential for atmospheric contributions to magnetic fields.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of magnetic field generation and the unresolved nature of how atmospheric phenomena might interact with magnetic field dynamics.

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Excluding another large planet in close proximity, can a planet/moon's atmosphere generate a magnetic field, or is it only generated from the core? If the atmosphere was charged enough with electrical storms perhaps? Thoughts?
 
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Any celestial object needs to have a conductive core and rotate to generate a sustainable magnetic field. It is the dynamo effect that generates the magnetic field. You don't get much of a dynamo effect with all the charge at the surface.
 
What about something like Jupiter's Red Eye on a larger scale? Couldn't that create a located field under the right circumstances?
 
Swankie said:
What about something like Jupiter's Red Eye on a larger scale? Couldn't that create a located field under the right circumstances?

Its just rotating gas ... an extremely huge hurricane of sorts

you need significant amounts of nickel and iron or other conductive metallic element. For example, the inner core of the Earth is solid nickel/iron, the outer core is liquid nickel/iron. The interaction of the 2 as Chronos said, is what produces the magnetic field.

It is believed that Jupiter doesn't have an iron core and its magnetic field is generated slightly differently ( tho the principle is still the same)
have a look at this www site...

http://www.windows2universe.org/jupiter/interior/J_int_structure_liquid.html

cheers
Dave
 
Sounds like we don't have a complete understanding yet, and a planet's magnetic dipole can be far off from the center. Uranus and Neptune do not fit the standard model:

But furthermore, each planet's magnetic dipole is offset from the planet's geometrical center. For Uranus, the offset is 30 percent of the planet's radius. Neptune's offset is worse: 55 percent.


Earth's magnetic dipole is offset by 7.25 percent of Earth's radius, and Jupiter's dipole is offset by 13.1 percent of its radius. Saturn's dipole is offset by anywhere from 4 to 5 percent. So dipole offsets are not without precedent. But dipole offsets of such a large proportion are.


http://www.examiner.com/article/uranus-and-neptune-s-magnetic-fields-severely-inclined-and-offset

For different reasons, Uranus and Neptune should not have magnetic fields, according to conventional theory. That they do is further evidence that conventional theories are inadequate to explain planetary magnetic fields.

http://www.examiner.com/article/uranus-and-neptune-shouldn-t-have-magnetic-fields
 
On the Moon, numerous magnetic anomalies exist which collectively make up mini-magnetic fields. Electric fields associated with these magnetic fields deflect charged particles from the solar wind. It is commented that it may be possible to artificially enhance and link these fields to make the Moon more habitable for human exploration/exploitation.
http://phys.org/news/2012-07-deflector-shields-lunar-surface.html

As high as 6000km above the lunar surface, electron beams and ion plumes are originated at the interaction zone between lunar electric fields and solar plasma, with electromagnetic and electrostatic waves found at even greater distances in the plasma ahead of the Moon.
http://phys.org/news/2012-05-electric-moon-jolts-solar.html#nRlv

Several potential explanations of the origin of the lunar magnetic fields are mentioned.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve
 
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