Can any object withstand the power of light?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether any object can withstand the power of light, particularly from powerful light sources such as lasers. Participants explore the implications of light absorption, destruction, and the potential for focused light to vaporize materials, while considering various definitions and contexts of "destruction."

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  • Some participants propose that all materials absorb some light, raising the question of whether anything larger than the wavelength of light can be destroyed by it.
  • One participant questions the meaning of "destroyed" in this context, suggesting that the definition may vary based on the extent of damage (e.g., creating a hole vs. complete vaporization).
  • Another participant argues that sufficiently powerful and focused light can vaporize small objects, but the energy required increases with the mass of the object.
  • Some participants note that current technology may not be capable of producing light powerful enough to vaporize larger objects instantaneously.
  • There is mention of existing laser technologies, such as laser metal cutters, which can effectively cut through materials but do not equate to total destruction.
  • One participant asserts that light does not destroy in the same manner as antimatter, but can still disrupt the structure of objects, such as with laser weapons.
  • Another participant claims that there is nothing that cannot be destroyed by a powerful light source, given sufficient time and energy.

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Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of light as a destructive force, with some arguing that it can vaporize materials while others question the feasibility and definitions involved. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the topic.

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Participants highlight ambiguities in terminology, such as "destroy" and the implications of using lasers versus other light sources. The discussion also touches on the technological limitations of current laser capabilities.

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Every material absorbes some light, right? -even a mirror! So I ask myself: is there anything bigger than the wavelength of that light that cannot be destroyed with a powerful lightsource? (for example laser)
 
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Daniel Petka said:
Every material absorbes some light, right? -even a mirror! So I ask myself: is there anything bigger than the wavelength of that light that cannot be destroyed with a powerful lightsource? (for example laser)
Well, black holes come to mind.
 
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Daniel Petka said:
Every material absorbes some light, right? -even a mirror! So I ask myself: is there anything bigger than the wavelength of that light that cannot be destroyed with a powerful lightsource? (for example laser)

I'm going to tell you why your question here is rather puzzling, because this is a physics forum (full of professionals) and often times, the nature of the question is as important as the answer itself:

1. If the object is bigger than the wavelength of the light (and you didn't put any upper bound on the size), then what exactly do you mean by "destroyed"? If I just punch a 1-mm diameter hole in a slab of steel 1 square meter, have I "destroyed" the slab? If I ablate the top 10 nm of the material from a clump of iron, have I "destroyed" it?

2. Why does it have to be a "laser"? Why would the coherence of the light source make any difference? And do we have a time scale for how long this light impinges on the material to destroy it? Or should it only be done by a single photon?

There are many words and terminologies that we use everyday that appear to be clear and well-defined. But when it is put in the context of science, these words are often vague and ambiguous. This is what is happening here.

Zz.
 
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Sufficiently powerful and focused light, (or other EM), could completely vaporize a small material object.
Obviously the more massive the object is, the more powerful the light has to be to do that.
I'd guess that producing/focusing light powerful enough to instantly vaporize anything much more than about 1 gram of say iron is probably beyond current technology
Even though an object could be vaporized, the individuals atom which made up the object will still exist,
though they probably will exist as plasma; atomic nuclei with some or even all electrons stripped.
(The stripped electrons will return when the plasma cools)
 
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rootone said:
Sufficiently powerful and focused light, (or other EM), could completely vaporize a small material object.
Obviously the more massive the object is, the more powerful the light has to be to do that.
I'd guess that producing/focusing light powerful enough to instantly vaporize anything much more than about 1 gram of say iron is probably beyond current technology
Even though an object could be vaporized, the individuals atom which made up the object will still exist,
though they probably will exist as plasma; atomic nuclei with some or even all electrons stripped.
(The stripped electrons will return when the plasma cools)
maybe you haven't seen the current technology for laser metal cutters ?
they go through a few mm of steel like a hot knife through butter :smile:

an example ...

laser-cut-metal.jpg


there are some really serious laser etching processes out there too ...

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...717C19228A0C08A63793717C19228A0C0&FORM=VRDGARDave
 
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Impressive definitely, but not in the 'destroy anything' category.
 
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Impressive definitely, but not in the 'destroy anything' category.
I think his point was just that your estimate of 1 gram was WAY off, not that it could destroy anything. Laser cutting of steel plates for shipbuilding has been done for almost 50 years. In the 70's I wrote an assembly language program for a minicomputer to control such a process.
 
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OK, but back to the original question, which I interpreted to be about if focused light could be effectively used as a range weapon.
I doubt it.
 
rootone said:
OK, but back to the original question, which I interpreted to be about if focused light could be effectively used as a range weapon.
I doubt it.
I agree, at least for even coming close to total destruction.
 
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davenn said:
maybe you haven't seen the current technology for laser metal cutters ?
they go through a few mm of steel like a hot knife through butter :smile:

an example ...
Wow, what a beautiful piece. What is it used in? If for a chain drive, why the even/odd offset spacing? It sure looks on-purpose...
 
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Yeah, light does not destroy things like for example antimatter does (by annihilation). However, that is not needed to "destroy" the structure of something (for example a drone with a long range laser weapon).
 
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There is nothing that cannot be destroyed by a powerful light source, given enough time and energy.

“Too much light will destroy anything”. Is true because the quantity “too much” is defined as enough light to destroy anything.

Next consider the question: What happens when an irresistible force acts on an immovable object ?
 
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Baluncore said:
Next consider the question: What happens when an irresistible force acts on an immovable object ?
On these words of wisdom, thread closed.
 
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