Can Any1 tell me why kienetic energy is equal to both m.v[SUP]2[/SUP] and 1/2

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Kinetic energy is expressed as both KE = mv² and KE = 1/2 mv² due to different derivations based on Newton's laws of motion. The first derivation shows that kinetic energy can be calculated from the work done on an object, while the second derivation arises from the equations of motion under constant acceleration. A discussion on a snooker player hitting a ball highlights the confusion around work done when force is applied instantaneously. It concludes that while work may appear to be zero, energy is still transferred to the ball, emphasizing the importance of understanding impulse and force over time. The conversation clarifies that applying a finite force for an infinitesimal time can still result in momentum change, demonstrating the complexity of energy transfer in physics.
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Can Any1 tell me why kienetic energy is equal to both m.v2 and 1/2 m.v2


E=W=F.d
=m.a.d ......=mgh
=m.(v/t).d
=m.(d/t^2).d
=m.d^2/t^2
=m.v^2
So hence proved K.E= m.v^2



But 2.a.s=Vf2-Vi2 Newton equatio of motion
2.F/m.s=V2......if initial velocity is zero
F.s=1/2 mv2
W=E=1/2 mv2
So hence proved K.E=1/2 m.v^2
 
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Arslan said:
=m.a.d
=m.(v/t).d
a=\frac{dv}{dt}\ne\frac{v}{t}
 


Arslan said:
E=W=F.d
=m.a.d ......=mgh
=m.(v/t).d

In the equation above, v is the final velocity at time t.

=m.(d/t^2).d

In this step you use v=d/t, but the object isn't moving at constant speed v. It starts with speed 0, and increases speed linearly until the end (v). d/t is the average speed which is v/2 for constant acceleration from v=0 to v=v. So v=2d/t.
 
Thanks i got it

i have still one more question related to energy

If a snooker player hits a ball on frictionless surface...he hits with force 6N and ball starts to move with constant velocity say 10m/s and never stops,
how much work is done by the player and how how much energy the ball has.

If we use W=integral(F.dx)
but F=6 at instant t=0 and F=0 for all other values of t
and d=0 at instant t=0 and d is increasing for all other values of t
So the product remains 0

It mean that work done is zero but energy is transferred to ball i.e. 1/2 mv^2
 
Arslan said:
If we use W=integral(F.dx)
but F=6 at instant t=0 and F=0 for all other values of t
and d=0 at instant t=0 and d is increasing for all other values of t
So the product remains 0

It mean that work done is zero but energy is transferred to ball i.e. 1/2 mv^2
No, it means that your model is flawed. You can't exert a force for zero time. ∫Fdt & ∫Fdx will both be greater than zero.
 
Doc Al said:
No, it means that your model is flawed. You can't exert a force for zero time.
Well you can conceptually exert a finite force for zero duration. It won't do anything, however.

You can also apply a rather large but finite force F(t) for a very small period of time δt. Taking ∫Fdt to be the change in momentum Δp and letting δt→0 so that Δp remains constant leads to the idea of impulsive forces. These can yield quite good estimates of the behavior if
  • You don't care about the deformations and such during that time interval δt during which the force is non-zero
  • The changes to the integrated state (position) during that time interval δt are very small
  • That large but finite force F(t) overwhelms all other forces during that time interval.
 
D H said:
Well you can conceptually exert a finite force for zero duration. It won't do anything, however.
True. :wink:
 
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