Can charged baryons flow induce magnetic field?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether the flow of charged baryons can induce a magnetic field, similar to how electric current from electrons does. It explores the implications of baryon flow, which involves mass transfer, in relation to magnetic effects and current measurements, particularly in the context of particle beams like those at the LHC.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that charged baryons can be considered as a form of "electric" current, similar to ionic current.
  • One participant asserts that charged baryon flow can indeed induce a magnetic field, suggesting that if the amperage is the same, the magnetic field strength (B) and magnetic field intensity (H) would also be the same.
  • Another participant mentions that the LHC beam has a current of about half an ampere, implying a practical example of baryon flow.
  • There is a discussion about the comparison between protons and heavier ions, questioning whether a heavy ion beam with the same amperage would produce the same magnetic effects as protons.
  • Responses indicate agreement that if heavy ions beam the same amperes, they would still induce the same magnetic effect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that charged baryons can induce a magnetic field and that the magnetic effects are consistent across different types of charged particles if the current is the same. However, the implications of mass transfer and the specific conditions under which these effects hold are not fully resolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not address potential limitations or assumptions regarding the definitions of current and magnetic fields in the context of baryon flow versus electron flow.

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We all think that electric current is the electrons flow without mass transfer in conductor, i.e. charged lepton flow.
But charged baryons flow can also deemed as "electric" current, e.g. ionic current.
My question is that charged baryons flow can induce magnetic field? Same amperes, then same B & H?
Of course, baryons flow is accompanied with mass transfer.
 
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cairoliu said:
My question is that charged baryons flow can induce magnetic field? Same amperes, then same B & H?
Yes.

Also, electrons have mass.
 
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Sure. The LHC beam has a current of about half an ampere.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Sure. The LHC beam has a current of about half an ampere.
Proton is the lightest ion, a heavy ion with same charge may be +100X heavier than proton, if heavy ions beam same amperes, still same magnetic effect?
 
cairoliu said:
if heavy ions beam same amperes, still same magnetic effect?
For the second time, yes. You understand this correctly.
 
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Dale said:
For the second time, yes. You understand this correctly.
understand now, thank you!
 

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