Can Gravitons Escape Black Holes? The Curious Case of Massless Particles

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The discussion centers on whether gravitons, as massless particles, can escape black holes, contrasting their behavior with that of photons. It is noted that while light cannot escape a black hole, the role of gravitons in gravitational attraction is more complex, as they are considered virtual particles used in calculations rather than entities that physically exchange between bodies. The conversation highlights the limitations of current understanding in quantum gravity, emphasizing that traditional perturbation theory does not apply effectively to gravity. Ultimately, the nature of gravitational interactions remains less understood compared to electromagnetic interactions. The discussion concludes that our grasp of gravity fundamentally differs from that of electromagnetism.
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If light can't escape a black hole , then can a graviton escape i am assuming it can this is why it gravitates , but I know we havn't observed them yet . But I am curious why can a graviton with no mass but I assume it has energy, escape a black hole but a photon cannot.
or maybe for some weird reason a graviton can't escape a black hole.
 
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Hi cragar! :smile:

When two electrons repel each other electromagnetically, they don't actually exchange photons.

Similarly, when two bodies attract each other gravitationally, they don't actually exchange gravitons.

The photons or gravitons are only virtual particles , which are mathematical fictions designed to help in calculations (in perturbation theory in quantum field theory) of the electromagnetic or gravitational field.

In other words, no graviton leaves the black hole to attract something else, the attraction is done by the field, and the field is calculated mathematically with the help of non-existent "virtual gravitons". :wink:
 
i see , thanks for the answer .
 
so, we really have no idea what happens when two electrons interact, and we have no idea how a field communicates with particles...
 
Here is an interesting quote

The notion of virtual particles mediating static forces comes from perturbation theory, and if there is one thing we know about quantum gravity, it's that the usual way of doing perturbation theory doesn't work.​

see http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Quantum/virtual_particles.html

In other words, all we know about gravity is that it is not like electromagnetism.
 
I think it's easist first to watch a short vidio clip I find these videos very relaxing to watch .. I got to thinking is this being done in the most efficient way? The sand has to be suspended in the water to move it to the outlet ... The faster the water , the more turbulance and the sand stays suspended, so it seems to me the rule of thumb is the hose be aimed towards the outlet at all times .. Many times the workers hit the sand directly which will greatly reduce the water...

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