Can Heating a Copper Coin Change the Radius of its Centre Hole?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of heating a copper coin with a central hole on the dimensions of the hole. Participants explore the implications of thermal expansion in metals, particularly focusing on whether the radius of the hole would decrease or increase when the coin is heated. The conversation includes theoretical considerations, empirical observations, and thought experiments.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that heating the coin will decrease the radius of the hole, claiming the metal expands in all directions.
  • Another participant counters that if a ring of copper is heated, it would increase in circumference, suggesting that the hole would actually get larger.
  • Discussion includes the complexity of stress and strain responses in the metal during heating, with some proposing that the expansion would primarily occur outward radially to minimize stress.
  • A participant shares an empirical observation that hot objects do not become more difficult to fit around cold objects, supporting the idea that the hole would expand.
  • Another participant describes a practical experiment involving a heated ring and a ball, illustrating that heating allows the ball to pass through the ring, implying the hole expands.
  • One participant poses a question about the interatomic spacing in the tangential direction of the hole's inner wall when heated, prompting further inquiry into the effects of temperature on atomic dimensions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express conflicting views on the effect of heating on the radius of the hole, with no consensus reached. Some argue for a decrease in radius, while others maintain it would increase, leading to an unresolved debate.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference theoretical models and empirical observations, but the discussion does not resolve the underlying assumptions about thermal expansion or the specific conditions of the experiment.

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I have a copper coin with a hole in the centre. The hole is a circle. If the coin is heated, the metal will expand towards all directions in and out, so the radius of the circle will be decreased. Correct?
 
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Well if you had an infinitely thin ring of copper and heated
it, it could only increase in circumference, so the hole
would actually get bigger as the radius of the ring increased.

I believe that your statement that it expands in every
direction is more or less true. What has to be considered,
though, is the real world behavior of such an object where
every atom is expanding just a little bit. The expansion
will create a somewhat complicated stress/strain response
in the metal, and the particular amount of displacement
in a given area would be the result of lessening the overall
stress energy of the metal.

Though expanding from metal into free air is a pretty low
energy thing to do since there wouldn't be back-pressure
from the air in the hole, you must also consider that
there would be a compression of the metal encircling the
air-hole since more metal would have to be squeezed into
a smaller space circumferentially too.

I think that mainly it'd follow the path of expanding
outward radially since that'd seem to lessen strees on the
whole of the piece.

Certainly if it became really hot to liquefy, though, you'd
expect that it'd start to slump/flow/creep to fill in a small
hole.

It'd make an interesting FEM analysis.

Empirically I've never seen a hot 'nut' or 'washer' become
more difficult to put around a cold bolt, or a hot jar lid
become harder to screw around a cold jar. That would
tend to support the theory that mostly it'd just expand
outward as the lowest energy lowest stress option.
 
Divide the ring into 16 segments. Now make one of those segments twice as large. What inner diameter will 16 of those give rise to?
 
Jean-Louis said:
I have a copper coin with a hole in the centre. The hole is a circle. If the coin is heated, the metal will expand towards all directions in and out, so the radius of the circle will be decreased. Correct?
Incorrect. Do the exercise that cesiumfrog suggests. All linear dimensions will expand, including that of the hole.
 
Or, just draw two concentric circles on your computer screen and then zoom in on the image. The geometry is the same.
 
I did this experiment in Grade 7.

You have a metal ball and a metal ring. The ball is slightly too large to fit through the ring.

Heat the ring for a few minutes over a Bunsen burner and now the ball can slip through the ring.

QED.
 
Jean-Louis said:
I have a copper coin with a hole in the centre. The hole is a circle. If the coin is heated, the metal will expand towards all directions in and out, so the radius of the circle will be decreased. Correct?
If the radius decreased, what could you say about the interatomic spacing in the tangential direction, along this inner wall? Would it have increased or decreased? What would you expect heating to produce (an increase or a decrease in the interatomic spacing)?
 

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