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The discussion centers around the validity of replacing definite integrals with constants in the context of integration by parts. Participants explore the implications of this replacement while working through specific examples involving functions f(x) and g(x). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical clarification regarding integration techniques.

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  • Some participants assert that a definite integral, being a constant, can be replaced by that constant in calculations.
  • Others argue that the integrals involved must be indefinite for the integration by parts formula to be applied correctly.
  • A participant points out that using definite integrals in the integration by parts formula leads to contradictions, suggesting that the approach is invalid.
  • Further clarification is provided that the integration by parts formula should involve indefinite integrals of f(x) rather than definite integrals.
  • Concerns are raised about potential errors in the application of the integration by parts formula as presented in the original post.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of replacing definite integrals with constants in the integration by parts context. Multiple competing views remain, with some asserting the validity and others challenging it based on the nature of the integrals involved.

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Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of definite and indefinite integrals, as well as unresolved mathematical steps in the integration by parts application.

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Let a,b are constants.
a=\int_{-∏}^∏ f(x)\,dx
and
b=\int_{-∏}^∏ {g(x)f(x)}\,dx,
Then by integration byparts, we have ,
b = (\left.g(x)\int_{-∏}^∏ f(x)\,dx)\right|_{-∏}^∏-\int_{-∏}^∏g'(x)\int_{-∏}^∏ f(x)\,dx \,dx

Is below step valid.
b = a(\left.g(x))\right|_{-∏}^∏-a\int_{-∏}^∏g'(x)\,dx

I am not able to find it googling. Can an integral be replaced by a constant.
FYI : This came up when I am working on computing binomial coefficients with their trignometric form.
 
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Yes, of course, a definite integral, which is, by definition, a constant, can be replaced by that constant.
 
smslce said:
Let a,b are constants.
a=\int_{-∏}^∏ f(x)\,dx
and
b=\int_{-∏}^∏ {g(x)f(x)}\,dx,
Then by integration byparts, we have ,
b = (\left.g(x)\int_{-∏}^∏ f(x)\,dx)\right|_{-∏}^∏-\int_{-∏}^∏g'(x)\int_{-∏}^∏ f(x)\,dx \,dx

Those integrals of f(x) must be indefinite integrals. You can't use definite integrals like that in the parts formula.

Is below step valid.
b = a(\left.g(x))\right|_{-∏}^∏-a\int_{-∏}^∏g'(x)\,dx

No, that isn't valid. If you take another step, you'll see that

b = a(\left.g(x))\right|_{-∏}^∏-a(\left.g(x))\right|_{-∏}^∏ = 0

For all f(x) and g(x). Which clearly isn't correct.
 
smslce said:
Let a,b are constants.
a=\int_{-∏}^∏ f(x)\,dx
and
b=\int_{-∏}^∏ {g(x)f(x)}\,dx,
Then by integration byparts, we have ,
b = (\left.g(x)\int_{-∏}^∏ f(x)\,dx)\right|_{-∏}^∏-\int_{-∏}^∏g'(x)\int_{-∏}^∏ f(x)\,dx \,dx

Is below step valid.
b = a(\left.g(x))\right|_{-∏}^∏-a\int_{-∏}^∏g'(x)\,dx

I am not able to find it googling. Can an integral be replaced by a constant.
FYI : This came up when I am working on computing binomial coefficients with their trignometric form.
Your integration by parts formula looks wrong.
\int_{-∏}^∏g'(x)\int_{-∏}^∏ f(x)\,dx \,dx
should be:
\int_{-∏}^∏g'(x)F(x)dx
where F(x) is the indefinite integral of f(x).
 
They must be indefinite integrals in order to do so, unless it is invalid.
I think you have made a mistake somewhere in your working.
 
smslce said:
Let a,b are constants.
a=\int_{-∏}^∏ f(x)\,dx
and
b=\int_{-∏}^∏ {g(x)f(x)}\,dx,
Then by integration byparts, we have ,
b = (\left.g(x)\int_{-∏}^∏ f(x)\,dx)\right|_{-∏}^∏-\int_{-∏}^∏g'(x)\int_{-∏}^∏ f(x)\,dx \,dx

Is below step valid.
b = a(\left.g(x))\right|_{-∏}^∏-a\int_{-∏}^∏g'(x)\,dx

I am not able to find it googling. Can an integral be replaced by a constant.
FYI : This came up when I am working on computing binomial coefficients with their trignometric form.

Further error:
(\left.g(x)\int_{-∏}^∏ f(x)\,dx)\right|_{-∏}^∏
should be:
(\left.g(x)F(x))\right|_{-∏}^∏
where F(x) is the indefinte integral of f(x)
 

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