Can Integration by Parts Solve This Integral Problem?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral \(\int_0^1 (6t^2 (1+9t^2)^{1/2} dt)\), which falls under the subject area of integral calculus. Participants explore various methods to approach this integral, including integration by parts and trigonometric substitution.

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  • Participants discuss the use of integration by parts and question whether it is the most efficient method. Some suggest starting with a trigonometric substitution, while others consider the implications of different substitutions on the integral's complexity.

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The conversation is active, with participants sharing their attempts and providing hints to each other. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach, but several productive suggestions have been made regarding substitutions and integration techniques.

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Some participants note the constraints of the problem, including the requirement to evaluate the integral along a specific curve defined by parametric equations. There are also references to identities and simplifications that could aid in the integration process.

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Homework Statement


[tex]\int_0^1 (6t^2 (1+9t^2)^{1/2} dt)[/tex]



Homework Equations


[tex]\int u dv = u v - \int v du[/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]\int_0^1 (6t^2 (1+9t^2)^{1/2} dt)[/tex]
[tex]=6 * \int (t^2 (1+9t^2)^{1/2} dt)[/tex]
[tex]= 6 * \int (t * t (1+9t^2)^{1/2} dt)[/tex]

Let [tex]u = t[/tex]; let [tex]dv = t (1+9t^2)^{1/2} dt[/tex];
then [tex]du = dt[/tex]; and [tex]v = \int t (1+9t^2)^{1/2} dt[/tex]

(using w-substitution:
[tex]w = 1+9t^2[/tex],
[tex]dw = 18t dt[/tex];
[tex]dw/18=dt[/tex];
[tex]\int t (1+9t^2)^{1/2} dt[/tex]
=[tex]1/18 \int w^{1/2} dw = 1/18 * 2/3 w^{3/2} = w^{3/2} / 27 = (1+9t^2)^{3/2}/27[/tex]

[tex]v = [(1+9t^2)^{3/2}/27[/tex]

[tex]\int(u dv) = u v - \int (v du)[/tex]
[tex]= t * (1+9t^2)^{3/2}/27 - \int ((1+9t^2)^{3/2}/27 dt)[/tex]

now i need help integrating [tex](1+9t^2)^{3/2}/27[/tex].
 
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Hi Knissp! :smile:
Knissp said:

The Attempt at a Solution



oooh, that's horrible! :cry:

Hint: start again, and make the obvious substitution at the beginning. :wink:
 
Can you use trig-sub or are you required to solve it by int. by parts?
 
I can use any method, I just thought by parts would be easiest. What trig subst. would I use?

and Tim: would the obvious substitution be u=t^2 and dv = sqrt(1+9t^2) dt? Then I have to integrate sqrt(1+9t^2) dt...
 
Knissp said:
I can use any method, I just thought by parts would be easiest. What trig subst. would I use?

and Tim: would the obvious substitution be u=t^2 and dv = sqrt(1+9t^2) dt? Then I have to integrate sqrt(1+9t^2) dt...
[tex]t=3\tan\theta[/tex]
 
[tex]t=3\tan\theta[/tex]
[tex]dt = 3\sec^2\theta d\theta[/tex]

[tex]\int (6t^2 (1+9t^2)^{1/2} dt)[/tex]
= [tex]\int (6(3\tan\theta )^2 (1+9(3\tan\theta)^2)^{1/2} 3\sec^2\theta d\theta)[/tex]
=[tex]\int (54 \tan^2\theta (1+81 \tan^2\theta)^{1/2} 3\sec^2\theta d\theta)[/tex]
=[tex]162 \int (\tan^2\theta (1+81 \tan^2\theta)^{1/2} \sec^2\theta d\theta)[/tex]

Should I keep going from here?
 
OMG! I'm so sorry ... lol

First, you have to simplify it ... to find what your "a" should be.
 
hmm... I think rocomath meant to say [itex]3t=tan(\theta)[/itex] ;0)
 
[tex]1+9t^2[/tex]

Dividing by 9, [tex]\sqrt{9\left(\frac 1 9+t^2\right)}=3\sqrt{\frac 1 9+t^2}[/tex]

[tex]t=\frac 1 3\tan\theta[/tex]
 
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Now I have
[tex]\int 2/9 \tan^2\theta \sec^3\theta d\theta[/tex]

which is

[tex]\int 2/9 \frac{\sin^2\theta}{\cos^5\theta} d\theta[/tex]
 
  • #11
Try Integration by parts now (don't forget that your limits of integration are [itex]tan^{-1}(0) \rightarrow tan^{-1}(3)[/itex] now)
 
  • #12
Knissp said:
Now I have
[tex]\int 2/9 \tan^2\theta \sec^2\theta d\theta[/tex] …

Hi Knissp!

(have a theta: θ and a squared: ² and a cubed: ³ and an integral: ∫ :smile:)

Isn't it tan²θsec³θ?
 
  • #13
I have tried several ways none of which worked, too much to post it all. Just a little more help needed: would it be best to use the identity 1+tan²θ = sec²θ before integrating by parts? edit: just to add, in case anyone wanted to know where this problem is from,

Let C be the curve represented by the equations
x=2t, y=3t² (0≤t≤1) dx/dt=2, dy/dt=6t
Evaluate the line integral along C: ∫(x-y)ds
ds = √((dx/dt)^2+(dy/dt)^2) dt = √(4+36t^2) = 2√(1+9t^2) dt
∫(x-y)ds = ∫((2t-3t^2)*2√(1+9t^2) dt = ∫((4t√(1+9t^2) dt - ∫((6t^2)√(1+9t^2) dt
I was able to solve the ∫((4t√(1+9t^2) dt part using u-substitution, but I got stuck on ∫((6t^2)√(1+9t^2) dt which is why I originally asked for help. Question: Is my way of attempting this problem the most efficient, or is there a better way so I can avoid this integral which involves trig-substitution entirely?
 
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  • #14
Use the Identity [itex]sin^2(\theta)=1-cos^2(\theta)[/itex] to break the integral into two parts (sec^3 and sec^5). Then use integration by parts with [itex]u=sec(\theta)[/itex] and [itex]dv=sec^2(\theta)d\theta[/itex]...you will have to use by parts twice for the sec^5 term...you'll also need to look up the integral of [itex]sec(\theta)d\theta[/itex]
 
  • #15
tan²θsec³θ = (sec²θ-1)sec³θ = [tex]\sec^5\theta - \sec^3\theta[/tex]
Looking at the sec^3 part, let u = secθ, dv=sec²θ dθ; du=secθtanθ, v=tanθ.
uv-∫vdu = secθtanθ - ∫tan²θsecθ dθ
Is that right so far? because then I have to make another u-sub...
 
  • #16
looks fine so far; now there is a trick you need to use...
-∫tan²θsecθ dθ =∫(1-sec²θ)secθ dθ =∫secθ dθ-∫secθ^3 dθ
=> 2 ∫secθ^3 dθ=secθtanθ+∫secθ dθ
 
  • #17
Aaahhh I get it now. :bugeye: Sorry that so long. Thank you all for your help!
 
  • #18
hyperbolic trig substitution

tiny-tim said:
Hint: start again, and make the obvious substitution at the beginning. :wink:
rocomath said:
[tex]t=\frac 1 3\tan\theta[/tex]

hmm … when you have a square, there's always the choice of a trig substitution, or a hyperbolic trig substitution …

in this case, either t = (1/3)tanθ, or t = (1/3)sinhu …

using the tan worked, but it was rather complicated.

Try it again, using the sinh instead! :smile:
 

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