Can Integration by Parts Solve This Integral Problem?

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Homework Statement


[tex]\int_0^1 (6t^2 (1+9t^2)^{1/2} dt)[/tex]



Homework Equations


[tex]\int u dv = u v - \int v du[/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]\int_0^1 (6t^2 (1+9t^2)^{1/2} dt)[/tex]
[tex]=6 * \int (t^2 (1+9t^2)^{1/2} dt)[/tex]
[tex]= 6 * \int (t * t (1+9t^2)^{1/2} dt)[/tex]

Let [tex]u = t[/tex]; let [tex]dv = t (1+9t^2)^{1/2} dt[/tex];
then [tex]du = dt[/tex]; and [tex]v = \int t (1+9t^2)^{1/2} dt[/tex]

(using w-substitution:
[tex]w = 1+9t^2[/tex],
[tex]dw = 18t dt[/tex];
[tex]dw/18=dt[/tex];
[tex]\int t (1+9t^2)^{1/2} dt[/tex]
=[tex]1/18 \int w^{1/2} dw = 1/18 * 2/3 w^{3/2} = w^{3/2} / 27 = (1+9t^2)^{3/2}/27[/tex]

[tex]v = [(1+9t^2)^{3/2}/27[/tex]

[tex]\int(u dv) = u v - \int (v du)[/tex]
[tex]= t * (1+9t^2)^{3/2}/27 - \int ((1+9t^2)^{3/2}/27 dt)[/tex]

now i need help integrating [tex](1+9t^2)^{3/2}/27[/tex].
 
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Hi Knissp! :smile:
Knissp said:

The Attempt at a Solution



oooh, that's horrible! :cry:

Hint: start again, and make the obvious substitution at the beginning. :wink:
 
Can you use trig-sub or are you required to solve it by int. by parts?
 
I can use any method, I just thought by parts would be easiest. What trig subst. would I use?

and Tim: would the obvious substitution be u=t^2 and dv = sqrt(1+9t^2) dt? Then I have to integrate sqrt(1+9t^2) dt...
 
Knissp said:
I can use any method, I just thought by parts would be easiest. What trig subst. would I use?

and Tim: would the obvious substitution be u=t^2 and dv = sqrt(1+9t^2) dt? Then I have to integrate sqrt(1+9t^2) dt...
[tex]t=3\tan\theta[/tex]
 
[tex]t=3\tan\theta[/tex]
[tex]dt = 3\sec^2\theta d\theta[/tex]

[tex]\int (6t^2 (1+9t^2)^{1/2} dt)[/tex]
= [tex]\int (6(3\tan\theta )^2 (1+9(3\tan\theta)^2)^{1/2} 3\sec^2\theta d\theta)[/tex]
=[tex]\int (54 \tan^2\theta (1+81 \tan^2\theta)^{1/2} 3\sec^2\theta d\theta)[/tex]
=[tex]162 \int (\tan^2\theta (1+81 \tan^2\theta)^{1/2} \sec^2\theta d\theta)[/tex]

Should I keep going from here?
 
OMG! I'm so sorry ... lol

First, you have to simplify it ... to find what your "a" should be.
 
hmm... I think rocomath meant to say [itex]3t=tan(\theta)[/itex] ;0)
 
[tex]1+9t^2[/tex]

Dividing by 9, [tex]\sqrt{9\left(\frac 1 9+t^2\right)}=3\sqrt{\frac 1 9+t^2}[/tex]

[tex]t=\frac 1 3\tan\theta[/tex]
 
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Now I have
[tex]\int 2/9 \tan^2\theta \sec^3\theta d\theta[/tex]

which is

[tex]\int 2/9 \frac{\sin^2\theta}{\cos^5\theta} d\theta[/tex]
 
  • #11
Try Integration by parts now (don't forget that your limits of integration are [itex]tan^{-1}(0) \rightarrow tan^{-1}(3)[/itex] now)
 
  • #12
Knissp said:
Now I have
[tex]\int 2/9 \tan^2\theta \sec^2\theta d\theta[/tex] …

Hi Knissp!

(have a theta: θ and a squared: ² and a cubed: ³ and an integral: ∫ :smile:)

Isn't it tan²θsec³θ?
 
  • #13
I have tried several ways none of which worked, too much to post it all. Just a little more help needed: would it be best to use the identity 1+tan²θ = sec²θ before integrating by parts? edit: just to add, in case anyone wanted to know where this problem is from,

Let C be the curve represented by the equations
x=2t, y=3t² (0≤t≤1) dx/dt=2, dy/dt=6t
Evaluate the line integral along C: ∫(x-y)ds
ds = √((dx/dt)^2+(dy/dt)^2) dt = √(4+36t^2) = 2√(1+9t^2) dt
∫(x-y)ds = ∫((2t-3t^2)*2√(1+9t^2) dt = ∫((4t√(1+9t^2) dt - ∫((6t^2)√(1+9t^2) dt
I was able to solve the ∫((4t√(1+9t^2) dt part using u-substitution, but I got stuck on ∫((6t^2)√(1+9t^2) dt which is why I originally asked for help. Question: Is my way of attempting this problem the most efficient, or is there a better way so I can avoid this integral which involves trig-substitution entirely?
 
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  • #14
Use the Identity [itex]sin^2(\theta)=1-cos^2(\theta)[/itex] to break the integral into two parts (sec^3 and sec^5). Then use integration by parts with [itex]u=sec(\theta)[/itex] and [itex]dv=sec^2(\theta)d\theta[/itex]...you will have to use by parts twice for the sec^5 term...you'll also need to look up the integral of [itex]sec(\theta)d\theta[/itex]
 
  • #15
tan²θsec³θ = (sec²θ-1)sec³θ = [tex]\sec^5\theta - \sec^3\theta[/tex]
Looking at the sec^3 part, let u = secθ, dv=sec²θ dθ; du=secθtanθ, v=tanθ.
uv-∫vdu = secθtanθ - ∫tan²θsecθ dθ
Is that right so far? because then I have to make another u-sub...
 
  • #16
looks fine so far; now there is a trick you need to use...
-∫tan²θsecθ dθ =∫(1-sec²θ)secθ dθ =∫secθ dθ-∫secθ^3 dθ
=> 2 ∫secθ^3 dθ=secθtanθ+∫secθ dθ
 
  • #17
Aaahhh I get it now. :bugeye: Sorry that so long. Thank you all for your help!
 
  • #18
hyperbolic trig substitution

tiny-tim said:
Hint: start again, and make the obvious substitution at the beginning. :wink:
rocomath said:
[tex]t=\frac 1 3\tan\theta[/tex]

hmm … when you have a square, there's always the choice of a trig substitution, or a hyperbolic trig substitution …

in this case, either t = (1/3)tanθ, or t = (1/3)sinhu …

using the tan worked, but it was rather complicated.

Try it again, using the sinh instead! :smile:
 

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