Can old neodymium magnets be recycled?

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The discussion revolves around the recycling of old neodymium magnets, exploring methods such as crushing, melting, and recasting, as well as the implications of neodymium ore export restrictions from China. Participants consider the feasibility, cost-effectiveness, and potential outcomes of recycling processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that old neodymium magnets could potentially be crushed to a powder and re-sintered into new shapes, but question the cost-effectiveness of such processes.
  • There are concerns about the brittleness of the magnets and the challenges associated with grinding them, including the need for specific conditions to avoid burning and the impact on the final product's porosity.
  • One participant mentions the possibility of melting old magnets, though there is uncertainty regarding the effectiveness of recasting.
  • Research from the U.S. Department of Energy's Ames Laboratory is cited, indicating that recycled neodymium can maintain useful properties, but the discussion remains open on the specifics of the recycling process.
  • Some participants express skepticism about achieving the same magnetic strength after recycling, suggesting that the properties of the recycled magnets may be weaker.
  • There is a mention of the broader implications for electric vehicles, with a note that recycling lithium batteries might be even more critical.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best methods for recycling neodymium magnets, with multiple competing views on the effectiveness and outcomes of various processes remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include uncertainties about the specific processes for recycling, the conditions required for effective grinding and sintering, and the potential loss of magnetic strength in recycled materials.

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Can old neodymium magnets be crushed to a powder and re-sintered into new shapes?
 
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Don't see why not - by some process. The real question is: "is it cost effective to do so?"
 
Sure. Question is about goal and amounts.

"Crashing" has meaning if only you can't buy thin NdFeB powder.

It's not brittle enough for direct crushing.
Grinding solid magnet will consume a lot of abrasives, need in-liquid grinding or inert atmosphere to avoid burning, will complicate sintering due to a bigger fragment sizes, and product will be more porous than original.
 
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Thank You for responding.

With China restricting export of neodymium ore, I was wondering if recycling old magnets offered an opportunity.

Could they be melted and recast?

Regards,

Bill
 
Yes, it can be melted. But I'm not sure about casting idea.

Sintering is not only about process simplification, there is some meaning to make it ceramic.
Otherwise, why they first melt this, disperse to the powder, and later sintering

http://www.ndfeb-info.com/neodymium_magnets_made.aspx
 
Thank you Graniar.

I enjoyed the link.

By the way... I would like to know what keeps the hydrogen from igniting when

metals are smelted in a hydrogen atmosphere.

Anybody?

Thanks!

B.
 
Ignite with what? There is no oxygen to react with.
React with the metals? Might depend on the metals.
 
How stupid of me.

I forgot that without oxygen, hydrogen won't burn.

Sorry to waste your time.

B.
 
wmingin said:
Thank You for responding.
With China restricting export of neodymium ore, I was wondering if recycling old magnets offered an opportunity.
Could they be melted and recast?

There is some research done on that. Here's an example

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121024175520.htm

Scientists at the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Ames Laboratory are working to more effectively remove the neodymium, a rare Earth element, from the mix of other materials in a magnet. Initial results show recycled materials maintain the properties that make rare-earth magnets useful.
[more at the link]
 
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Very Interesting!
Thank You SredniVashtar
 
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nice. seems like this could really help out the case for electric cars.
although recycling lithium batteries might be even more important.
 
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I think it does be possible.
But you can not get same strong magnet.
The property will be much weaker.
 
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for old neodymium magnets, it's useful for rare Earth element recovery
 

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