Can organic molecules from space initiate self-sufficient chemical systems?

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The discussion revolves around the potential role of organic molecules from space in initiating self-sufficient chemical systems. Participants explore the implications of recent talks on this topic, particularly focusing on the necessity and sufficiency of extraterrestrial organic compounds in prebiotic chemistry.

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  • Some participants note the recent effectiveness of talks on the subject and express interest in the ideas presented.
  • One participant mentions a specific question raised during a talk regarding the organics that form in space and their potential role as prebiotic building blocks, such as amino acids.
  • Another participant expresses surprise at the speaker's assertion that organic molecules from space are "not required" for the development of self-sufficient chemical systems, suggesting this sidesteps important arguments about the concentration of necessary organic molecules.
  • A participant argues that the local production of chemicals and molecules within the system is more crucial for the long-term survival and replication of a self-sufficient chemical system than the input of extraterrestrial organics.
  • This participant emphasizes that a contained environment allows for the accumulation of products to significant concentrations, which may be essential for system viability.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of organic molecules from space for initiating self-sufficient chemical systems. There is no consensus, as some challenge the idea while others find merit in the speaker's claims.

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Participants highlight the complexity of the arguments regarding the sufficiency of extraterrestrial organics and the importance of local chemical production, indicating that the discussion is nuanced and dependent on various assumptions.

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This is very recent.

His talks are becoming more effective (as he does so many).
He also has some new ideas.
 
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I only watched a few minutes, as I'm about to log off, but it looked very interesting and I'll have to watch the rest later. Thanks for posting, Bill!
 
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BillTre said:
This is very recent.

His talks are becoming more effective (as he does so many).
He also has some new ideas.

I watched part early hours.
Someone asked the question about all the organics that form in space and fall to earth. 1:21:30
I was curious about this myself, pre biotic building blocks already there like amino Acids.

I was quite surprised with his answer which 'not required' as far as his research is concerned.
 
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pinball1970 said:
I was quite surprised with his answer which 'not required' as far as his research is concerned.
I have never thought too much about organics from space (or panspermia for that matter).
To me it seems unlikely that an input of organic molecules from space would result in a high enough concentration of the right kind of organic molecules to initiate a self-sufficient chemical system. Lane's "not required" comment side steps those arguments. He makes the argument stronger by saying it makes his hypotheses falsifiable, while adding more "unrelated" variables makes it more difficult to draw conclusions.

I think it is much more important, WRT the long term survival/replication of the self -sufficient chemical system, that the new parts of the system (chemicals and molecules) are produced locally within the structure of the system. In a contained situation, products can be contained (by the hydrophobic membrane enveloping layer) and build up to higher, more significant concentrations.
 
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