Can organic molecules from space initiate self-sufficient chemical systems?

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Recent discussions highlight the effectiveness of a speaker's talks, showcasing new ideas and insights. A key topic addressed was the origin of organic molecules in space and their potential role in prebiotic chemistry. The speaker responded to a question regarding the necessity of these organics, stating they are "not required" for his research, which surprised some participants. This perspective challenges the notion that external organic inputs could significantly contribute to the formation of self-sufficient chemical systems. Instead, the emphasis is placed on the importance of locally produced chemicals within a contained environment, allowing for higher concentrations and more effective system replication. This approach enhances the falsifiability of his hypotheses while minimizing unrelated variables that could complicate conclusions.
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This is very recent.

His talks are becoming more effective (as he does so many).
He also has some new ideas.
 
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I only watched a few minutes, as I'm about to log off, but it looked very interesting and I'll have to watch the rest later. Thanks for posting, Bill!
 
BillTre said:
This is very recent.

His talks are becoming more effective (as he does so many).
He also has some new ideas.

I watched part early hours.
Someone asked the question about all the organics that form in space and fall to earth. 1:21:30
I was curious about this myself, pre biotic building blocks already there like amino Acids.

I was quite surprised with his answer which 'not required' as far as his research is concerned.
 
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pinball1970 said:
I was quite surprised with his answer which 'not required' as far as his research is concerned.
I have never thought too much about organics from space (or panspermia for that matter).
To me it seems unlikely that an input of organic molecules from space would result in a high enough concentration of the right kind of organic molecules to initiate a self-sufficient chemical system. Lane's "not required" comment side steps those arguments. He makes the argument stronger by saying it makes his hypotheses falsifiable, while adding more "unrelated" variables makes it more difficult to draw conclusions.

I think it is much more important, WRT the long term survival/replication of the self -sufficient chemical system, that the new parts of the system (chemicals and molecules) are produced locally within the structure of the system. In a contained situation, products can be contained (by the hydrophobic membrane enveloping layer) and build up to higher, more significant concentrations.
 
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