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The discussion revolves around calculating the minimum force required to prevent a block from sliding down a vertical wall and to initiate its upward movement. The weight of the block is 88.9N, with a static friction coefficient of 0.560. For preventing downward sliding, the correct force is determined to be approximately 82.9N, while the force needed to start moving the block upward is calculated to be around 415.4N. Participants clarify that friction is dependent on the normal force, which is derived from the horizontal component of the applied force. The calculations emphasize the importance of resolving forces into their components to accurately determine the required forces.
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I am having trouble answering this question.

The drawing shows a block against a vertical wall to its right. The force F is pointed at the lower left hand corner of the block at 40.0 deg. left of -y-axis


The weight of the block in the drawing is 88.9N. The coefficient of the static friction between the block and the vertical wall is 0.560. a)What minimum force F is required to prevent the block from sliding down the wall? b) What minimum force F is required to start the block moving up the wall?


Here is my attempt at it--

a) Fs(max)=(0.560)(88.9N)=49.8N
Fy=88.9N-49.8N=39.1N
Fx=(39.1N)/(cos(40))=51.0N
sqrt{39.1^2+51.0^2}=F
F=64.3N

b) 88.9N +49.8 N=138.7N=Fy
Fx=(138.7N)/(cos(40))=181.06N
sqrt{138.7^2+181.06^2}=F
F=228N

But it doesn't seem right!
 
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Fs(max)=(0.560)(88.9N)=49.8N
This is incorrect.

The friction between the block and wall is not dependent on the weight, which is pointing downward with gravity and parallel with the wall.

The friction is related to \muFx, which is perpendicular or normal to the wall.

a) Weight acts down, Fy acts up, and Fs acts _________?

b) Weight acts down, Fy acts up, and Fs acts _________?
 
a) Fs acts up
b)Fs acts down
The problem is I'm not sure how to get Fs from the normal force in the x direction from the wall.
 
mslena79 said:
a) Fs acts up
b)Fs acts down
The problem is I'm not sure how to get Fs from the normal force in the x direction from the wall.
Sure you do!

One simply resolves F into its x and y components.

Fx = F sin \theta, where \theta is the angle with the y-axis or vertical. If one selected the angle with the x-axis or horizontal, then one would use cos instead of sin.

then Fy = F cos \theta

We know \mu = 0.56 and we know the angle \theta = 40°, and we know how to find Fs.

Write the equations for the forces expressed in parts a and b.
 
a)Fs=\musFn
Fn=F(cos40)
Fs=(.560)(F(cos40))
Fs-mg+F(sin40)=0
F(0.560*cos(40)+sin(40))=88.9N
F=82.9N

b)-Fs-mg+F(sin(40))=0
F(sin(40)-(.560*cos(40))=88.9N
F=415.4N

answer for b doesn't seem right.
 
You post the same question twice??

I believe I gave you a good answer:
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