Can someone prove this basic identity?

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The discussion revolves around the identity \( x^{1/n} = \sqrt[n]{x} \), exploring its validity, definitions, and implications within the context of mathematical notation and exponentiation. Participants engage in both technical reasoning and conceptual clarification regarding the relationship between these two expressions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that \( x^{1/n} \) and \( \sqrt[n]{x} \) are two notations for the same function, typically accepted by definition.
  • Others challenge this view, arguing that while \( x^{1/n} \) can be shown to equal \( \sqrt[n]{x} \) through exponent rules, the definitions of these notations must be established and cannot be assumed to coincide without demonstration.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of defining \( x^{1/n} \) and \( \sqrt[n]{x} \) clearly, suggesting that every notation requires a definition to avoid ambiguity.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that the rules of exponents can be defined in a way that supports the equivalence of \( x^{1/n} \) and \( \sqrt[n]{x} \), contributing to a group structure under multiplication.
  • Some participants provide examples to illustrate the identity, such as \( (x^{1/n})^n = x \), reinforcing the relationship through practical demonstration.

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Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement. While some accept the identity as a definition, others express skepticism about equating the two notations without proper justification. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity of definitions and the implications of these notations.

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Participants highlight the need for clear definitions and the potential for differing interpretations of exponentiation, particularly when extending from integers to rational numbers. The discussion reflects various assumptions about mathematical notation and its foundational principles.

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x^(1/n) = the nth root of x

(I'd use mathematical notation but I don't really know how I'm new sorry)
 
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Try raising both sides to the power of n.
 
$$x^{\frac{1}{n}}=\sqrt[n]{x}$$
is usually true by definition as those are two notations for the same function.
 
lurflurf said:
$$x^{\frac{1}{n}}=\sqrt[n]{x}$$
is usually true by definition as those are two notations for the same function.
I agree.
 
same as what mentallic said,the n(and root n) gets canceled and you are left with the original number
lhs=rhs
 
lurflurf said:
$$x^{\frac{1}{n}}=\sqrt[n]{x}$$
is usually true by definition as those are two notations for the same function.

Not so sure that you can just say they are two notations for the same function.

You can define $$\sqrt(x)$$ as that number when multiplied by itself is $$x$$, ie square root is inverse of squaring.

However when dealing with powers you cannot just say well $$x^{\frac{1}{2}}$$ is a new notation for square root, it is the extension of the notation of powers from positive integers to rationals and its interpretation has yet to be determined.
Using the usual rules for powers then

$$x^{\frac{1}{2}}x^{\frac{1}{2}}=x^{{\frac{1}{2}}+{\frac{1}{2}}} =x^1=x$$

it follows that

$$x^{\frac{1}{2}}=\sqrt(x)$$


In the same way you cannot say $$\frac{8}{12}$$ is just another notation for $$\frac{2}{3}$$ without demonstrating their equality
 
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jing2178 said:
Not so sure that you can just say they are two notations for the same function.

You can define $$\sqrt(x)$$ as that number when multiplied by itself is $$x$$, ie square root is inverse of squaring.

However when dealing with powers you cannot just say well $$x^{\frac{1}{2}}$$ is a new notation for square root, it is the extension of the notation of powers from positive integers to rationals and its interpretation has yet to be determined.
Using the usual rules for powers then

$$x^{\frac{1}{2}}x^{\frac{1}{2}}=x^{{\frac{1}{2}}+{\frac{1}{2}}} =x^1=x$$

it follows that

$$x^{\frac{1}{2}}=\sqrt(x)$$


In the same way you cannot say $$\frac{8}{12}$$ is just another notation for $$\frac{2}{3}$$ without demonstrating their equality

Every notation must have a definition. How do you define ##x^{1/n}## and ##\sqrt[n]{x}##? Usually, these are defined to coincide.
 
I personally would think of the rules for exponent to be defined so that ##\{a^x|x\in\mathbb{R}\}## with ##a## being some constant that is greater than zero and not 1, is a group under multiplication. From this, like jing2178 shows, it is easy to prove that ##x^{1/n}## is a number such that, when raised to the ##n^{th}## power, one gets ##x##. From there it is clear that the notation ##\sqrt[n]{x}## and ##x^{1/n}## mean the same thing (ignoring discussions of principle roots).

It is equally valid to set the definition that those are the same notation and then show that the exponent rules work out to keep the group structure. To me the other way makes me feel happier inside :smile:
 
DrewD said:
I personally would think of the rules for exponent to be defined so that ##\{a^x|x\in\mathbb{R}\}## with ##a## being some constant that is greater than zero and not 1, is a group under multiplication. From this, like jing2178 shows, it is easy to prove that ##x^{1/n}## is a number such that, when raised to the ##n^{th}## power, one gets ##x##. From there it is clear that the notation ##\sqrt[n]{x}## and ##x^{1/n}## mean the same thing (ignoring discussions of principle roots).

That's actually a neat definition :-p
 
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$$(x^{1/n})^n = x$$ from which the result follows. E.g. $$\sqrt{4}=2$$ because 2x2=4. $$\sqrt[3]{8}=2$$ because 2x2x2=8.

So if $$(x^{1/n})^n$$ means $$x^{1/n}$$ multiplied by itself n times, and the result gives x, then it must mean $$x^{\frac{1}{n}}=\sqrt[n]{x}$$
 

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