Can the Exact Boltzmann Distribution Yield Specific Quantum State Populations?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the exact Boltzmann distribution to determine specific populations of quantum states, particularly focusing on the occupancy numbers of states and the implications of using the Digamma function in this context. Participants explore the mathematical and physical interpretations of occupancy numbers, including the constraints of integer versus non-integer values.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the feasibility of obtaining specific integer occupancy numbers using the Boltzmann distribution given certain parameters.
  • Another participant suggests that occupancy numbers should be integers to have physical meaning, proposing that the Gamma function might be redefined to yield integer solutions.
  • A different viewpoint argues that occupancy numbers can be treated as continuous variables for the purpose of maximizing probability, though acknowledges that non-integer values do not represent actual physical configurations.
  • One participant emphasizes the distinction between mathematical solutions and physical configurations, suggesting that the most probable configuration may not be unique in a dynamic system.
  • Another participant expresses a desire for a definitive mathematical distribution rather than relying on probabilistic outcomes influenced by the Gamma function's derivation.
  • There is a mention of the usefulness of time-averaged occupancy numbers for calculating properties like heat capacity, despite the non-integer nature of these averages.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of occupancy numbers, particularly regarding their integer or non-integer nature. There is no consensus on how to reconcile these perspectives or on the implications for physical configurations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in assumptions regarding the nature of occupancy numbers and the dependence on the definitions of mathematical functions involved, particularly the Gamma function and its various formulations.

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I think the issue is that there should really be another constraint - that the ni’s should be integers. Otherwise the answers won’t make much physical sense (non-integer occupancy numbers). We’re relying on the Digamma function coming from a Gamma function which can be defined in multiple ways as long as its integer inputs give integer outputs..
Maybe the Gamma function can be redefined so that we get integer solutions for the occupancy numbers?
 
There is no reason for the ni*s to be integral. n is treated as a continuous variable to permit differentiation. (See section D.) The ni*s are the values that maximise the probability function. Of course non-integral nis don't describe an actual physical configuration. If they have a physical meaning, I suggest it is as a time-average, as molecules are constantly being bumped up and down between levels. I'm not sure there's a simple way to determine the physical configuration (integral nis) with the highest probability, other than trial and error. Do you need to do this?
 
Thank you for answering!
Seen as a strictly mathematical problem (N distinct balls in K distinct boxes labeled with increasing integer scores) there is an actual right answer/distribution with a probability, so why wouldn’t we want that instead of relying on some random answer that depend on how the gamma function was derived when there in fact are several correct ”Gamma”-functions which extends the factorial? See: http://www.luschny.de/math/factorial/hadamard/HadamardsGammaFunction.html
 
I suppose the issue is, at least partly, that in a dynamic system the configuration is constantly changing. Each configuration has a probability, and one of them is the most probable, but none is "the configuration" of the system. (Unlike the Boltzmann distribution for large N, where fluctuations in ni are very small compared to ni.) But you can define a time-average, with non-integral average occupancy numbers, which is useful for calculating things like heat capacity, as in the paper. (I guess for the physicist it isn't "seen as a strictly mathematical problem".)
 

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