Can the integer zeros for this diophantine equation be found?

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The discussion revolves around finding integer zeros for a specific cubic Diophantine equation in two variables. The equation presented is a polynomial of degree three, which raises questions about the nature of its solutions and the methods applicable for solving it.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the complexity of finding integer solutions to cubic equations, particularly those that define elliptic curves. There is mention of reducing the equation to Weierstrass normal form and the challenges involved in this process.

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The conversation includes various attempts to approach the problem, with some participants suggesting methods for transforming the equation. There is acknowledgment of the difficulty of the problem, particularly in relation to finding integral points on elliptic curves. A reference to a relevant book is also provided, indicating a resource for further exploration.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem and the specific form of the equation, which may impose constraints on the methods used. The discussion reflects an understanding that the problem may not have straightforward solutions and that further exploration is necessary.

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Hello every one, please help me finding the integer zeros for this equation

-15x^3+45x^2y-15xy^2+y^3+90x^2-210xy+40y^2-120x+184y = 0

I know that the solution should used by diophantine equation but i don't know
ho to solve it, Please help :(
 
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76Ahmad said:
Hello every one, please help me finding the integer zeros for this equation

-15x^3+45x^2y-15xy^2+y^3+90x^2-210xy+40y^2-120x+184y = 0

I know that the solution should used by diophantine equation but i don't know
ho to solve it, Please help :(


I don't think it's especially easy to do so -- barring something unusual (and I don't see anything unusual), (total) degree 3 polynomial equations in two variables define a type of plane curve called an "elliptic curve", and I am vaguely under the impression that the problem of finding integer points (a.k.a. integral points) on elliptic curves is fairly difficult.
 
These kinds of problems can be very difficult. A very good book written on the subject is "Rational points on Elliptic Curves" by Silverman and Tate.

The first thing that we should do here is to reduce this equation to the Weierstrass normal form. That is, we would like to express the equation as

y^2=x^3+ax^2+bx+c

This can be done by a bit projective geometry. We begin by taking a rational point on the original cubic (for example (0,0)). We let Z=0 to be the tangent line to (0,0). Now, the tangent line will intersect our cubic in another rational point. Let X=0 be the tangent line to this other point and let Y=0 be an arbitrary line through (0,0) (which is not the tangent line).

Now, if we choose axes in this manner, and if we apply the projective transformation x=X/Zand y=Y/Z then we will get an equation of the form

xy^2+(ax+b)y=cx^2+dx+e

Try to work this out first, then we can go further in the reducing.
 
Thanks,,

the global minimal Weierstras is
y^2+xy+y=x^3-x^2-62705x+5793679.
 

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