Can water be propelled at supersonic speeds from a small hole?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of propelling water at supersonic speeds from a small hole in a pressurized reservoir. Participants explore the implications of pressure on water velocity, the concept of choked flow, and the differences between water and air in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a scenario using Bernoulli's equation to suggest that increasing pressure could allow water to exit at supersonic speeds, but notes uncertainty about the phenomena occurring at such speeds.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of choked flow, indicating that there is a limit to how fast the fluid can accelerate without changes in back pressure or area.
  • A question is raised regarding the specific speed at which the flow would stop, comparing the speed of sound in air (340 m/s) and in water (1440 m/s).
  • Another participant mentions that if water is being propelled into air, multiphase flow dynamics become relevant, but assumes that the fluid could reach the speed of sound for the liquid at a specific back pressure if contained to the choke point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which water can achieve supersonic speeds and the implications of choked flow. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact speed limits and the behavior of water in this scenario.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about fluid behavior at high speeds, the dependence on specific back pressures, and the complexities introduced by multiphase flow dynamics.

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Homework Statement


suppose we have a water reservoir with some pressure in it and a small hole through which the water exits. on the other side, there is just atmosphere.
by increasing pressure on the "water side", the velocity of exiting water increases.
what happens when pressure is large enough to propel the water stream at supersonic speed?

Homework Equations


bernoulli's equation: (r = density; 1 - water tank, 2 - atmosphere)
h1 + v12/2g + p1/rg = h2 + v22/2g + p2/rg

h1, h2 = 0 (at the same level)
v1 = 0
p1 = some high pressure
p2 = 0

so

v22 = 2p1/r

The Attempt at a Solution


according to this equation, it would be possible to achieve both supersonic speed in air and in water. i know though, that strange things happen at that speeds, but have no clue what exactly is going on.
 
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ok, then at which speed will this stop? 340 m/s (supersonic in air) or 1440 m/s (in water)?
 
Well, if there is water being driven into air then there are a lot of other things at play. We refer to things like this as multiphase flow. However, if the fluid is contained all the way to the choke point, then I would assume that the fluid would reach the speed of sound for the liquid at that specific back pressure.
 
ok, i get it.
thanks for replies.
 

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