Can you make a reasonable argument against reason?

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The discussion explores the paradox of making a reasonable argument against reason itself, questioning whether it is possible to critique reason without falling into irrationality. Participants delve into the complexities of reason, suggesting that it can be subjective and context-dependent. The conversation touches on the implications of statements that challenge logical principles, such as the law of excluded middle, and raises moral considerations about actions that may be deemed reasonable yet lead to harmful conclusions. It emphasizes that while reason is often seen as essential, there are scenarios where irrationality may be necessary for survival or decision-making. Ultimately, the dialogue reflects on the nuanced relationship between reason, morality, and human experience.
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Can you make a reasonable argument against reason?
 
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Is this some sort of zen riddle? How does one make a "reasonable" argument agianst "reason"? lol
 
against reason in general or a certain "logical" belief?
 
Jonny_trigonometry said:
Can you make a reasonable argument against reason?

How about this:

“It is not the case that this sentence is true.”

Is this sentence true or not? And what implications does this have for the law of the excluded middle?
 
hehe, I like it.

You may ask, what do I mean by this? expecting a reasonable answer from me, when the idea I'm presenting is concerned with reason being not entirely "reasonable".

I was thinking along the lines of reason being in the eye of the beholder. For example, suppose I reason things through perfectly and conclude that I should kill myself? (sorry to sound harsh, but just for the sake of this conversation).

I suppose I'm also concerned with morality, in that not all things can be reasoned through, and therefore not all things that must be done are reasonable. If not all things that are neccesary are reasonable, then reason isn't always neccesary. (Here I am trying to provide a reasonable argument against reason, when I don't think it's possible)

I do think that an unreasonable argument can be made against reason, and that it can be necessary, it may not make sense, but that's the point, it can't if it's trying to argue against reason.
 
what do you mean by "against reason"?
 
U mean giving reason illogically??
 
I don't even know what I mean. I just get a feeling that humans have had to do irrational things in order to survive. I suppose everythng is rational within some particular scale.
 
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