Can you me with this Hershel telescope beam?

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The discussion revolves around the resolution characteristics of the PACS instrument on the Herschel telescope, particularly how the resolution changes with varying scan speeds. Participants explore the underlying reasons for these changes, referencing technical details from the PACS observers manual and drawing analogies to other imaging systems.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the PACS instrument has a resolution of 5" at a scan speed of 20''/sec and 10'' at 60''/sec, suggesting that the resolution has doubled with increased speed.
  • Another participant counters that the resolution is actually cut in half with increased scan speed, asserting that a resolution of 5" should be twice as good as 10".
  • A later reply clarifies the previous point, confirming that the resolution is indeed cut by half at 60''/sec and requests an explanation for this phenomenon.
  • One participant references the PACS observers manual, explaining that the resolution decrease is due to the smearing effect caused by detector time constants and data averaging when scanning quickly.
  • Another participant draws an analogy to old analogue TV cameras, explaining how moving objects can appear smeared due to the delay in image capture, relating this to the resolution issues experienced at higher scan speeds.
  • Discussion includes technical details about the PACS bolometer and how it processes signals, indicating that faster scans lead to a temporal smearing of the temperature-based signal, affecting spatial resolution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of resolution changes with scan speed, with some asserting a doubling effect and others arguing for a halving effect. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore different perspectives and technical explanations.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific technical details from the PACS observers manual, indicating that the discussion is dependent on understanding the instrument's operational characteristics and the effects of scan speed on resolution.

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I came to know that the PACS instrument of HERSHEL has a resolution of 5" at a scan speed of 20''/sec whereas it's 10'' at 60''/sec. The resolution has almost doubled with the scan speed. Can you please tell me why it's so?
 
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I think the resolution is cut in half with the increased scan speed, not doubled. A resolution of 5" should be twice as good as 10".
 
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Drakkith said:
I think the resolution is cut in half with the increased scan speed, not doubled. A resolution of 5" should be twice as good as 10".
Sorry...that's what I meant. The resolution is cut by half for 60''/sec scan speed. Can you please explain why it's so?
 
sonutabitha said:
Sorry...that's what I meant. The resolution is cut by half for 60''/sec scan speed. Can you please explain why it's so?

Not sure. I don't know how the telescope works when it is scanning the sky.
 
From the PACS observers manual:

"For fast scans in normal and parallel mode, this PSF structure is smeared by detector time constants and data averaging."

http://herschel.esac.esa.int/Docs/PACS/html/ch03.html#sec-characteristics-photometer

See Table 3.1 in that link. Are you referring to the doubling of the FWHM from 5.26 x 5.61 at 10"/s to 5.75 x 9.0 at 60"/s with the Blue detector? If so then that's only along the spacecraft z-direction, which, as the mention above, is due to the increased scan speed. PACS is a bolometer so it doesn't bin photons, it reads a change in temperature due to those photons as a signal instead. When the spacecraft scans faster the thermal properties of the detector mean it can't respond as fast so you smear the temperature-based signal through time, which translates into spatial resolution. Also that signal comes out as a time series, which must be sampled, so I assume that's what they mean when they refer to data averaging.

I don't have a lot of experience directly with Herschel but I've worked with other bolometric imaging systems so this is just my take on their manual.
 
The decrease in resolution (softer) is analogous to the effect of lag in old analogue TV cameras. A moving object will be 'smeared out' because of the delay in building up the image on the camera and the rate the object travels across a given spot. The image on the back of the tube is not over the sensor element for long enough to register fully and the charge on the sensor takes time to decay so it leaves behind a trace of the object that passed. A stationary object will give a full resolution image and the resolution will get worse as the speed increases and more picture elements contain traces of the image moving across them.
The acceptable angular speed will be inversely proportional to the decay time of the image on the sensor.
It is due to the Convolution of the time sensitivity function and the time profile of the light (heat) landing on a spot. (Those of a nervous disposition can ignore this bit.)
 

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