Can't we use dq/dt in RC discharge?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of the derivative of charge with respect to time (dq/dt) in the context of discharging RC circuits. Participants explore the implications of the negative sign in the equation I = -dq/dt and its effect on the resulting equations for charge over time.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of the negative sign in I = -dq/dt, suggesting that dq/dt is inherently negative as the charge decreases during discharge.
  • Another participant presents the equation I = I0 e-t/RC as already accounting for the decay of current and charge, implying that the negative sign may be redundant.
  • A third participant references Kirchhoff's voltage law to explain the presence of the negative sign in the equation.
  • Another participant discusses the relationship between charge flow and current, suggesting that for certain equations to apply, a proportional relationship must exist between quantities involved, which may clarify the need for the negative sign.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of the negative sign in the equation, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the interpretation of charge flow and the mathematical relationships involved that remain unaddressed, leading to differing conclusions about the role of the negative sign.

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In the derivation of discharging RC circuit, you use I = -dq/dt to get Q = Q0 e-t/RC

But isn't dq/dt already implied to be negative, since charge on the capacitor is decreasing, and you force it to be negative using initial nd final conditions? So the final state is some low charge q, and the inital state is high charge Q.

Doing it this way gives Q = Q0 et/RC

I can see that as t increases, the charge Q increases as well. It's the opposite of what I know it should be and I know it has to do with using I = -dq/dt, but I can't see WHY we use -dq/dt when dq/dt is already negative.
 
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For a discharging capacitor,
I=Ioe-t/RC.
This equation already takes care of the decaying nature of the current (and the charge).
Use I=dq/dt and integrate to get
yosimba2000 said:
Q = Q0 e-t/RC
 
Charge flow and charge flow per second (I) are both proportional to charge and in the same direction in the circuit (yes I know that is obvious but. . . .) For an equation of the form
A=A0et/RC to apply , where A is some other quantity associated with the circuit, A would have to be inversely proportional to Q (or I), to account for the lack of a minus sign. (And apparent unlimited growth with time)
e-c = 1/ec
Just to re-state the obvious. So it has to be down to your Maths I think.
 

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