Capacitance Circuit Homework: Initial Conditions

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The discussion revolves around a circuit involving capacitors, specifically focusing on the potential differences across capacitors C1, C2, C3, and C4 under various switch configurations. The original poster outlines the initial conditions and attempts to determine the potential differences when switches S1 and S2 are manipulated.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the potential differences across capacitors before and after closing switch S2, with some suggesting the use of conservation of charge if the capacitors do not have the same capacitance. There is also a consideration of the equivalent capacitance of the capacitors in the circuit.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's analysis and questioning the assumptions regarding the capacitance of the capacitors. Some participants have noted the correctness of the initial analysis while others have raised concerns about the implications of differing capacitances.

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There is an assumption that all capacitors may initially be discharged, and the discussion includes the implications of whether the capacitors have the same capacitance or not. The thread has been moved to the appropriate section for introductory physics topics.

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Homework Statement



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Initial Conditions
(a)
Switch S2 kept open, switch S1 closed until C1, C2 and C3 are fully charged. What is the potential difference across each capacitor? Now Switch S2 is closed. What is the new potential difference across each capacitor?

(b) Switches S1 and S2 are both closed. What is the p.d. across each capacitor?

The Attempt at a Solution



(a)
Before S2 is closed, p.d. across all 3 capacitors are the same:

V1 = V2 = V3 = 80V
V4 = 0V

After S2 is closed, capacitors 2 and 3 do not affect the circuit at all hence they retain the p.d. of 80V.

C1 distributes half of its charge to C4.

V2 = V3 = 80V

C1 = C4 = 40V(b)

C1 and C4 are in parallel, so C1,4 = 2C

thus it is C1,4, C2 and C3 in series. Hence p.d. across each is:

V2 = V3 = 96V
V1,4 = V1 = V4 = 48V
 
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Looks correct. You could add the formula you used at (b).
 
mfb said:
Looks correct. You could add the formula you used at (b).

Thanks!
 
Do all capacitors have the same capacitance?

If yes, then your answer is correct. If not, you must use the conservation of charge to calculate the potential difference for each capacitor.

J.
 
By the way, this thread should be in the Introductory Physics section.

unscientific said:

Homework Statement



5kivma.png


Initial Conditions
(a)
Switch S2 kept open, switch S1 closed until C1, C2 and C3 are fully charged. What is the potential difference across each capacitor? Now Switch S2 is closed. What is the new potential difference across each capacitor?

(b) Switches S1 and S2 are both closed. What is the p.d. across each capacitor?

The Attempt at a Solution



(a)
Before S2 is closed, p.d. across all 3 capacitors are the same:

V1 = V2 = V3 = 80V
V4 = 0V

After S2 is closed, capacitors 2 and 3 do not affect the circuit at all hence they retain the p.d. of 80V.

C1 distributes half of its charge to C4.

V2 = V3 = 80V

C1 = C4 = 40V

(b)

C1 and C4 are in parallel, so C1,4 = 2C

thus it is C1,4, C2 and C3 in series. Hence p.d. across each is:

V2 = V3 = 96V
V1,4 = V1 = V4 = 48V
I'm assuming that initially, before either switch is closed all the capacitors are discharged.

Then S1 is closed & S2 is open, with C1, C2 and C3 becoming fully charged.
At this point, each of the three capacitors is charged equally. If they all have the same capacitance, then they will each have the same p.d., as in your analysis.​
Then for part (a), S1 is opened followed by S2 being closed.
If capacitors, C1 & C4, have the same capacitance, then they will be charged equally.

If not, then you can use the fact that they will have the same p.d. to find the charge on each, keeping in mind to employ conservation of charge.​

For part (b): (Your answer is incorrect even if all the capacitances are equal.)

What is the equivalent capacitance of the 4 capacitors?
 
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Moved to Intro Physics.
 

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