Capacitance: given V waveform, find max. power

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the maximum power (P_{max}) for a given capacitance of 60 μF with a specified voltage waveform. Participants explore the mathematical relationships involved, particularly focusing on the differentiation of piecewise functions and the implications of undefined points in the waveform.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the maximum power occurs when the derivative of power p'(t) is zero, seeking clarification on how to differentiate the piecewise voltage function v(t).
  • Another participant suggests that graphing the current waveform based on the voltage waveform could provide a quicker solution for determining power.
  • A later reply confirms a calculated maximum power of 75 W, derived from the product of current and voltage.
  • Questions arise regarding the nature of points where the derivative of the voltage is undefined, specifically whether these points should be considered "empty" or "filled" in the context of the graph.
  • Participants discuss a more general approach for complex problems, suggesting the use of equations for v(t) and i(t) to sum power in a piecewise manner while addressing undefined points.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to handle undefined points in the derivative of the voltage function and the approach to solving more complex problems. There is no consensus on a single method for these issues.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the challenges of differentiating piecewise functions and the implications of undefined derivatives at certain points. The discussion remains focused on these mathematical intricacies without resolving them.

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Homework Statement


A capacitance of 60 \mu F has the voltage waveform shown in Fig. 2-36. Find P_{max}.
[PLAIN]http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/5255/unled2copy.jpg

Homework Equations


p(t)=i(t)u(t)=\left(C\frac{du(t)}{dt}\right)u(t)

The Attempt at a Solution



When is power at maximum?
Is it the time t when the derivative of power p'(t)=C\left(\frac{du(t)}{dt}u(t)\right)' is equal to zero?

If yes, well ... how do you differentiate this (piecewise) equation for v(t) I came up with looking at Fig. 2-36:
v(t)=\begin{cases}<br /> \frac{50}{2}t-50k &amp; \text{for $2k &lt; t &lt; 2(k+1) AND k_{even}$} \\<br /> -\frac{50}{2}t+50(k+1) &amp; \text{for $2k&lt;t&lt;2(k+1) &amp;&amp; k_{odd}$} <br /> \end{cases}

Anyway, I must be over-complicating ... help me solve this "problem".* Help me with TEX: in the conditions for piecewise v(t) it should read "2k < t < 2(k+1) AND k_{even}". What am I doing wrong?
 
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courteous said:

Homework Statement


A capacitance of 60 \mu F has the voltage waveform shown in Fig. 2-36. Find P_{max}.
[PLAIN]http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/5255/unled2copy.jpg

Homework Equations


p(t)=i(t)u(t)=\left(C\frac{du(t)}{dt}\right)u(t)


The Attempt at a Solution



When is power at maximum?
Is it the time t when the derivative of power p&#039;(t)=C\left(\frac{du(t)}{dt}u(t)\right)&#039; is equal to zero?

If yes, well ... how do you differentiate this (piecewise) equation for v(t) I came up with looking at Fig. 2-36:
v(t)=\begin{cases}<br /> \frac{50}{2}t-50k &amp; \text{for $2k &lt; t &lt; 2(k+1) AND k_{even}$} \\<br /> -\frac{50}{2}t+50(k+1) &amp; \text{for $2k&lt;t&lt;2(k+1) &amp;&amp; k_{odd}$} <br /> \end{cases}

Anyway, I must be over-complicating ... help me solve this "problem".


* Help me with TEX: in the conditions for piecewise v(t) it should read "2k < t < 2(k+1) AND k_{even}". What am I doing wrong?

A quicker way to solve this would be to just graph the i(t) waveform, based on the v(t) waveform. You should be able to write the equation for the power based on the combined graphs...
 
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Yes, that is easier. Now I got the correct solution of P_{max}=1.5\text{ }A\times 50\text{ }V=75\text{ }W ... but, I've got two more questions:

1) As the derivative \frac{du(t)}{dt} at t=\{2,4,6,8\} is undefined: are the end-points at those t "empty" or "filled" (see picture)?
[PLAIN]http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/4064/dsc00992v.jpg

2) What would be a more general approach when the problem was more complex? I guess you would you help yourself with a computer, and then find the point where the derivative of p(t)=0 ... but what would you do with a piecewise function?
 
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Good work. On (1), you could just leave them empty, to signify undefined. It's not going to affect the power calculation. And for (2), I'd just use the equations for v(t) and i(t), and sum the power up in a piecewise fashion, leaving out the points that are undefined.
 

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