Capacitor Resistors problem, , exam preparation

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The discussion revolves around a transient circuit problem involving capacitors and resistors, specifically focusing on finding the voltage across the capacitor and the output voltage over time. The context is exam preparation, with participants attempting to solve a homework problem that requires understanding of circuit behavior at different time intervals.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that at t<0, the circuit is at steady state and the capacitor acts as an open circuit for initial calculations.
  • There is a suggestion that after the switch is opened, the 2K resistor on the left may be out of the circuit, leading to a voltage across the capacitor that equals the voltage across the 4K resistor.
  • One participant calculates the voltage of the capacitor at t=0+ as 10V and at t=∞ as 6V, while another participant agrees with these values but questions the relationship between Vc(t) and Vo(t).
  • There is a discussion about using superposition due to the presence of two voltage sources and applying Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) to find Vo(t).
  • Participants express uncertainty about how to apply the hint provided in the problem statement regarding KCL at the top node.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the initial and final voltages across the capacitor but express differing views on the relationship between Vc(t) and Vo(t), as well as the application of circuit analysis techniques. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact approach to find Vo(t).

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential missing assumptions about circuit configurations and the need for clarification on the application of KCL in the context of the problem. The discussion also highlights the dependence on the definitions of circuit components and their behavior over time.

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Capacitor Resistors problem, URGENT PLZ, exam preparation

Homework Statement



In the following transient circuit, assume at t<0, the circuit is at steady state.
Assume vc(t) is the voltage across the capacitor and v0 (t) is the output voltage as shown:
Find (a) vc(0+) (b) vc(∞) (c) vc(t) and (d) v0(t) for t>0
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/c0.0.299.299/p403x403/381831_509320622420791_1588549456_n.jpg

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I am pretty first stuck right at the beginning
A)
For this part, the capacitor will act as "open", so I remove the capacitor.

But then I have no idea how to find the voltage.

B) After the switch is opened for ∞, we can again open the capacitor.
the 2K on the left will be out of the circuit as well?

so the voltage of the capacitor will be the same as the 4K on the right side?

the current will not go through the 2k in the middle?

if so, the voltage will be 6V?

C)we need V(0) for this and time constant. τ = c/Rth
to find Rth we remove all source and take out the capacitor.
and again, I am not sure if the 2K resistors will be in series?
if they are then just take the equilvalent resistor
[(2+2)|| 4]+4 = 6k ?
and then just plug into the Vc(t) = (V(0) - V(∞)) e(-t/T) + V(∞)

D) Is Vo(t) = Vc(t) for t>0
since Vo(t) = V of 4K?


Thanks for your time
 
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qpham26 said:

Homework Statement



In the following transient circuit, assume at t<0, the circuit is at steady state.
Assume vc(t) is the voltage across the capacitor and v0 (t) is the output voltage as shown:
Find (a) vc(0+) (b) vc(∞) (c) vc(t) and (d) v0(t) for t>0
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/c0.0.299.299/p403x403/381831_509320622420791_1588549456_n.jpg

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I am pretty first stuck right at the beginning
A)
For this part, the capacitor will act as "open", so I remove the capacitor.

But then I have no idea how to find the voltage.
Just rearrange the layout a bit and I think you'll find an approach:

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B) After the switch is opened for ∞, we can again open the capacitor.
the 2K on the left will be out of the circuit as well?

so the voltage of the capacitor will be the same as the 4K on the right side?

the current will not go through the 2k in the middle?

if so, the voltage will be 6V?
That looks fine. Proceed with the knowledge that the middle 2k resistor is "disappeared" by the opening of the switch.
 

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thanks for your response. can you check my answers please. Follow that approach I get
a) Vc(0) = 10V

b)Vc(∞) = 6V

c) Vc(t) = (10-6)e^(-2.5t) + 6

d) Vc(t) =Vo(t) ??

Thanks for your time
 


qpham26 said:
thanks for your response. can you check my answers please. Follow that approach I get
a) Vc(0) = 10V

b)Vc(∞) = 6V

c) Vc(t) = (10-6)e^(-2.5t) + 6

d) Vc(t) =Vo(t) ??

Thanks for your time

Looks okay except for (d). Draw the equivalent circuit for time > 0. Initially the capacitor begins with its initial voltage of 10V from part (a). So pretend it's a voltage source at the instant t = 0+. What then is Vo initially?
 


It seem to me that if we go on to find Vo(0+) we then have to deal with superposition since there are 2 voltage source?

actually in the problem statement, there is a hint for part d, which says apply KCL at top node.

and I don't really know what to do with that hint and how to use equation from Vc(t) to find Vo(t)

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qpham26 said:
It seem to me that if we go on to find Vo(0+) we then have to deal with superposition since there are 2 voltage source?

actually in the problem statement, there is a hint for part d, which says apply KCL at top node.

and I don't really know what to do with that hint and how to use equation from Vc(t) to find Vo(t)

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Draw the circuit for the instant that the switch opens, replacing the capacitor with a voltage source of value equal to the initial capacitor potential:

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Use whatever circuit analysis techniques you want to find the initial value for Vo. One method is to use nodal analysis (KCL) at the output node. Similarly, find Vo for time >> 0. These two endpoints are connected by an exponential function with the same time constant as the capacitor voltage function.
 

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