Car on the banked turn with friction

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The discussion focuses on calculating the maximum velocity of a car on a reverse banked turn with specific parameters: a radius of curvature of 15 m, static friction of 0.5, and a banking angle of 10 degrees. The initial attempt to find the velocity using the equation v=sqrt(Usgr) yielded an incorrect result of 8.57 m/s, while the correct answer is 7.2 m/s. A revised approach using a more complex equation derived from the forces acting on the car was proposed, which incorporates both friction and the banking angle. The derived formula is v=sqrt(((MUcostheta-sintheta) x g x r)/(costheta-MUsintheta)), which aims to accurately account for the dynamics of the turn. The discussion highlights the importance of correctly applying physics principles to solve for maximum velocity in this scenario.
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Homework Statement



Car traveling along the "reverse" banked turn (road tilted away from the curvature). Radius of curvature is 15 m, static friction between road and tires is 0.5, and banking angle is 10 degrees. Find the maximum velocity possible on this reverse banked turn.

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v=sqrt(Usgr)

The Attempt at a Solution


sqrt(0.5 x 9.8 x 15)= 8.57 m/s

Its wrong as actual answer is 7.2m/s
 

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i get 7.8m/s..
 
pat666 said:
i get 7.8m/s..

how?
 
I have tried and got answer using this equation:
v=sqrt(((MUcostheta-sintheta) x g x r)/(costheta-MUsintheta))

I derived it by:
sum of x forces: Fx=Fcostheta-MU(Nsintheta)=(mv)^2/r
sum of y forces: Fy=0=Ncostheta-MU(Nsintheta)-mg
mg=N(costheta-MU(sintheta)
N=(mg)/(costheta-MU(sintheta))

Netforce: -Fnet(opposite direction)=Nsintheta-fcostheta(Opposite direction)
Fnet=-Nsintheta+MU(Ncostheta)
=N(-sintheta+MU(costheta))
=((mg)/(costheta-MU(sintheta)) x (-sintheta+MU(costheta)
Fnet=Fcentripetal

(mv^2)/r=((mg)/(costheta-MU(sintheta)) x (-sintheta+MU(costheta)
v=sqrt((MUcostheta-sintheta) x g x r)/(costheta-MUsintheta))
 
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