Cathode Ray Tube: Explaining Phenomena with Green Beam and Fluorescent Glow

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Discussion Overview

This discussion revolves around the phenomena observed in cathode ray tubes, particularly focusing on the appearance of the green beam, the behavior of cathode rays in a gaseous environment, and the effects of these rays on various objects within the tube. Participants explore theoretical explanations, experimental observations, and specific demonstrations related to these phenomena.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the invisible electron beam becomes visible as a green beam and how it glows in the gaseous part of the tube.
  • Another participant suggests that the glow in the gaseous part occurs due to electrons exciting remaining gas atoms, although they note that a perfect vacuum is not necessary for this to happen.
  • There is a discussion about the paddle wheel demo, with one participant confused about the wheel's movement in both forward and reverse directions.
  • Participants discuss the phenomenon of the dark shadow created by a maltese cross and the subsequent glow when the cross is removed, with one participant referencing a YouTube explanation that attributes this to the glass losing fluorescence under electron bombardment.
  • Some participants mention that the glow will decrease with higher gas pressure, as gas atoms can absorb electrons, creating a "viscous drag" that affects the cathode rays.
  • There is a suggestion that the tube may have a fluorescent stripe inside that traces the path of the beam, and one participant provides a link to a related demonstration.
  • Another participant clarifies that the beam is not a single pencil beam but rather a fan shape, which can lead to confusion if not properly explained.
  • There is a mention that the color produced by electrons passing through low-pressure air may be purple or pink rather than green.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the mechanisms behind the observed phenomena, with no clear consensus reached on the explanations for the glowing path of cathode rays or the behavior of the paddle wheel. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on the specific conditions within the tube, such as gas pressure and the presence of phosphors, which may affect the visibility and behavior of the cathode rays. Additionally, assumptions about the nature of the electron beam and its interactions with the gas and glass are not fully explored.

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In a video demonstration (not animation), cathode rays appear as a beam of green light moving from the cathode to anode inside the tube. The demonstrator brings a magnet near the tube and the green beam deflects. This I can understand. What I can not understand is that how the electron beam which are invisible are made to appear as a green beam and the beam also beautifully bends. What we have read is the fluorescent glow appears only when it strikes the glass. But how the path of the cathode rays in the gaseous part of the tube glows?

2.In the paddle wheel demo. when the cathode rays hit the wheel it rotates and moves in the forward direction, but how it moves in the reverse direction?

3.When a maltese cross is placed in the path of the cathode rays, a dark shadow in the shape of the cross appears on the fluorescent screen.When the cross is folded down, a fluorescent glow in the shape of the cross appears in the same place previously occupied by the shadow. I could understand the previous phenomenon but not the latter.

If anybody gives simple explanation for the above questions, it will be helpful to me.
 
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But how the path of the cathode rays in the gaseous part of the tube glows?
You need a vacuum for the rays, but the vacuum is not perfect - electrons can hit the remaining gas atoms/molecules inside and excite them.

For 2./3., I think there is some context missing.
 
ananthu said:
Thank you for your reply. Even if there is some traces of air, will it glow green, when struck by electrons?

Regarding the (2) and (3) I have given the video links below.

(2)

(3)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt7ZWEDZ_GI&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL1559C68545F8F4A1


But the glowing will decrease. For the cathode rays to be constituted one needs very very less (nearly vacuum) gas pressure. Otherwise some gas atoms can even take electrons. It creates a kind of "viscous drag".

But with very less gas pressure , this viscous force is reduced to a great extent and the "thermions" which strike the gas atom can ionize them , i.e. knock the valence electron from their orbital.
 
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For (3) the explanation is right there on youtube:

"The after-shadow is because the glass loses some of its fluorescence under bombardment by electrons. When the cross is flipped down the previously shadowed glass is exposed to the electron beam and glows brighter than the surrounding glass. With this tube there isn't any phosphor, just natural glass fluorescence"
 
ananthu said:
But how the path of the cathode rays in the gaseous part of the tube glows?
If the tube is like the one I know, there is a fluorescent stripe inside the tube.
Some electrons hit this stripe and "trace" the path of the beam.
Does it look like this one?

http://web.chem.ucsb.edu/~feldwinn/DemoLibrary/Chapter2.html
 
Thank you for all the replies.
 
nasu said:
If the tube is like the one I know, there is a fluorescent stripe inside the tube.
Some electrons hit this stripe and "trace" the path of the beam.
Does it look like this one?

http://web.chem.ucsb.edu/~feldwinn/DemoLibrary/Chapter2.html

You are not actually looking at a pencil beam in that demo. The beam of electrons is in the form of a horizontal fan and the screen is suspended in the tube at a slight diagonal angle so different bits of the fan strike the screen at different distances along the tube - giving you a trace all along the screen. (Like when you shine a torch obliquely along a wall) This shows how a single pencil beam would behave when you introduce magnetic and electric fields to deflect it. It's a clever idea but can actually confuse people if it's not actually explained.

btw, the 'maltese cross' tubes that I have seen have the end face coated with a phosphor. It makes the green cross much more visible. Also, as I recollect, the colour you get from electrons passing through low pressure air is Purple / Pink and not Green.
 
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