Cation/cation repulsion in salt water solution

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Adding salt to a surfactant solution can reduce the repulsion between cationic heads in spherical micelles, potentially transforming them into cylindrical micelles. The discussion centers on how salt, like NaCl or NaBr, affects coulombic forces in a polar solvent such as water. While adding salt is thought to decrease the dielectric constant of water, which would normally increase repulsion, the attraction of salt anions to the positive micelle surface may effectively reduce the net positive charge. The relationship between solvent polarity and dielectric constant is also explored, with questions on whether higher polarity increases or decreases coulombic attraction for dissolved ions. Ultimately, the role of water's polarity in determining its dielectric constant remains a key point of inquiry.
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Spherical Micelles of the surfactant DTAB, which has a cationic head, will turn into cylindrical micelles if the repulsion between the cationic heads can be reduced. I have read that adding salt (perhaps NaCl or NaBr) to this water/surfactant solution will reduce repulsion between the cations, thus triggering the change in shape. Can someone explain how adding salt would reduce coulombic forces between molecules? Salt is supposed to reduce the dielectric constant of water. Coulombic forces are inversely proportional to the dielectric constant, meaning adding salt should INCREASE repulsion. Or is the more relevant mechanism here simply that salt anions are attracted to the positive micelle surface, reducing net positive charge?
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Back to basics here! Do ions feel more or less coulombic attraction when dissolved in a polar solvent (compared to a less polar medium)? Does higher polarity of solvent increase the forces or decrease them? In other words, does the polarity of the solvent affect its dielectric constant (permittivity) and how? I understand that ions of salt will decrease the dielectric constant of water, however the role of water's polarity in determining its dielectric constant is unclear!
 
sghan said:
Or is the more relevant mechanism here simply that salt anions are attracted to the positive micelle surface, reducing net positive charge?
Exactly.
I merged your two threads as they look like the same topic.
 
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