Center of Image - Brightness Distribution

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The discussion revolves around the definition of the center of an image in the context of weak gravitational lensing, specifically focusing on the mathematical formulation involving brightness distribution and a weight function. Participants explore the implications of the formula and seek clarification on the integration notation used.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the formula for the center of an image resembles a standard weighted average formula, suggesting it is akin to finding the centroid of a lamina.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the interpretation of the integration notation d²θ, questioning its meaning in the context of the formula.
  • A participant mentions that a common weight function used in literature is the Heaviside step function, which may define a sharp cutoff along an isophote.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the integration over the annulus, with a participant speculating that it relates to the variables r and φ, but expressing confusion about the notation d²θ versus the expected dθ.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the mathematical formulation and integration notation, indicating that there is no consensus on the interpretation of d²θ and its implications for defining the center of an image.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the integration notation and its relationship to the physical interpretation of the brightness distribution and weight function.

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Hello,

I am reading a review on weak gravitational lensing (https://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0509252.pdf) and they define the center of an image as follows:

$$\vec \theta_c = \frac{\int d^2 \theta I(\vec \theta) q_I [I(\vec \theta)] \vec \theta}{\int d^2 \theta I(\theta) q_I[I(\vec \theta)]}$$

where ##I(\vec \theta)## is the brightness distribution of an image isolated in the sky and ##q_I(I)## is some weight function.

I am having some trouble seeing that this does indeed define the center of an image and was hoping someone could help me see it.
 
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BOAS said:
trouble seeing that this does indeed define the center of an image
It looks like a standard weighted average formula, ##\bar x=\frac{\int f(x)x.dx}{\int f(x).dx}##, where f(x) is the weight function. Just the same as finding the centroid of a lamina.
If your question is how they get that weighting function then I am hampered by not knowing how to interpret d2θ.
 
haruspex said:
It looks like a standard weighted average formula, ##\bar x=\frac{\int f(x)x.dx}{\int f(x).dx}##, where f(x) is the weight function. Just the same as finding the centroid of a lamina.
If your question is how they get that weighting function then I am hampered by not knowing how to interpret d2θ.

Ah ha! Thank you, I was missing that.

##\vec \theta## is an angular position on the flat approximation of the sky, I've attached an image to illustrate it. A common example in the literature is to use the heaviside step function as the weight function, which I think just defines a sharp cutoff of the image along an isophote.
 

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BOAS said:
Ah ha! Thank you, I was missing that.

##\vec \theta## is an angular position on the flat approximation of the sky, I've attached an image to illustrate it. A common example in the literature is to use the heaviside step function as the weight function, which I think just defines a sharp cutoff of the image along an isophote.
Ok, but can you shed any light on the d2θ? I would have understood dθ as just the usual integration notation. I suspect it has something to do with the fact that we really want to integrate over the annulus rdrdφ, where r is proportional to θ and φ runs from 0 to 2π, but that would give something like θdθ, not d2θ.
 

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