Center of Lift vs. Center of Thrust

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the center of lift (CoL) and center of thrust (CoT) in rockets, with the assertion that both are located at the engine. However, the center of lift is defined by the aerodynamic forces generated by the rocket's fins and body, which contribute to stability and drag when the rocket is traveling vertically. It is clarified that no lift is produced at zero angle of attack, but fins can create lift during disturbances to maintain stability. The lift vector can point in various directions, not just upward. Understanding these distinctions is crucial for rocket design and stability.
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I have been thinking about the CoL and CoT on rockets. I came to the conclusion that they are in the exact same spot on the rocket since your thrust and lift come from the same thing in the same place, the engine. I read some forums on other websites but didn't get a clear answer. It would be very helpful if someone could clarify this for me.
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The center of lift (sometimes called center of pressure) is the point of application of aerodynamic force generated by fins, wings, body, etc. There is a CP for each lifting surface and for the total lift generated by the whole rocket.
 
Your saying that the center of lift is calculated from all of the fins, body, etc. But if you are traveling perfectly vertical than the fins, body, etc. are only adding stability and drag, no upward force until it starts traveling non-vertical if I am correct. So I am just saying that the exact upward lift and the thrust are both coming from the engine. But the actual defined CoL is calculated by the fins, body, etc.

Thanks for the reply
 
That's right. When angle of attack is zero, no lift is generated. However, for fins to add stability, they must produce some lift whenever a disturbance occurs. Keep in mind that lift is the component of aerodynamic force perpendicular to the relative wind. The lift vector may point any direction, including sideways or down.
 
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