Challenging Integrals in Calculus 1-2: Expand Your Problem-Solving Skills!

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The discussion revolves around challenging integrals suitable for Calculus 1-2, with participants sharing various integral problems and expressing their thoughts on their difficulty and interesting properties. The focus is on exploring integrals that may be fun or intriguing to solve, without reaching any consensus on their solvability or difficulty level.

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  • One participant requests hard integrals to solve, specifically within the range of Calculus 1-2.
  • Several integrals are proposed, including \(\int{\frac{(1+x^{2})dx}{(1-x^{2})\sqrt{1+x^{4}}}}\) and \(\int e^{-x^2} dx\), with varying opinions on their appropriateness for the specified calculus levels.
  • Some participants express doubt about the inclusion of certain integrals, such as \(\int e^{-x^2} dx\), suggesting it may not belong to the Calculus 1-2 curriculum.
  • Integrals like \(\int_{0}^{\infty} \sin(x^2)dx\) are described as hard but famous, with some participants sharing their experiences of solving them.
  • One participant discusses their approach to solving \(\int \frac{1}{x^5+1}dx\) and expresses uncertainty about their method involving substitution and integration by parts.
  • There are multiple mentions of the Gaussian integral and its evaluation, with some participants discussing the use of polar coordinates and limits at infinity.
  • Concerns are raised about the evaluation of improper integrals and the behavior of oscillating functions as they approach infinity, leading to further questions about convergence.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the difficulty or appropriateness of the integrals shared. There are differing opinions on which integrals are suitable for Calculus 1-2, and some participants express confusion or uncertainty about specific methods and concepts.

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Some integrals discussed may involve concepts or techniques that extend beyond the typical scope of Calculus 1-2, such as improper integrals and advanced evaluation methods. Participants express varying levels of familiarity with these concepts, indicating a range of understanding within the group.

  • #151
\int{\sec^{3}{\theta}\mbox{d}\theta}
If you use u=\csc{\theta} substitution you will have to do the partial fraction decomposition
u=\sec{\theta}+\tan{\theta} will also work
If you prefer reduction formula use it
 
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  • #152
Mariuszek said:
\int{\sec^{3}{\theta}\mbox{d}\theta}
If you use u=\csc{\theta} substitution you will have to do the partial fraction decomposition
u=\sec{\theta}+\tan{\theta} will also work
If you prefer reduction formula use it
This one's super easy (I encountered it while trying to find the arc length of ##y=x^2##).
(1) ##\int sec^3 \theta\ d\theta = \int sec^2\theta\ sec \theta\ d\theta##. Integrating by parts, we get
(2) $$sec \theta\ tan\theta - \int sec\theta\ tan^2 \theta\ d\theta=sec\theta\ tan\theta - \int sec^3\theta\ d\theta +\int sec\theta\ d\theta$$
So (3) $$\int sec^3 \theta\ d\theta = \frac1{2}(sec\theta\ tan\theta + \int sec\theta\ d\theta)$$
Let's solve the integral of ##sec\theta## on the right. Multiplying the denominator and numerator by ##cos \theta##, we get
(4) $$\int \frac{cos \theta}{cos^2 \theta} d\theta = \int \frac{cos \theta}{1-sin^2 \theta} d\theta$$
Factorizing the denominator, we get (5)$$\int \frac{cos \theta}{(1+sin \theta)(1-sin\theta)} d\theta$$
This can be rationalized to give (6)$$\int \frac1{2} (\frac{cos \theta}{1+sin\theta}+\frac{cos \theta}{1-sin\theta}) d\theta$$
Let ##u=sin \theta##. Then ##du=cos\theta\ d\theta##. So our integral expression becomes from (4) becomes $$\frac1{2}(ln|1+sin\theta|-ln|1-sin\theta|)$$,which is the same as writing $$ln \sqrt{\frac{1+sin \theta}{1-sin\theta}}$$ If we multiply the numerator and denominator by ##1+sin\theta##, we get the lovely expression
$$ln \sqrt{\frac{(1+sin\theta)^2}{(cos \theta)^2}}=ln|\frac{1+sin\theta}{cos \theta}|=ln|sec\theta+tan\theta|$$
Making the final substitution into (3), we get ##\int sec^3 \theta\ d\theta = \frac1{2}(sec\theta\ tan\theta + ln|sec\theta +tan\theta|)+c##, where ##c## is an arbitrary constant. IMO, this is too trivial a question to appear in this thread. If you really want to push things up a notch though, try the double integral of ##sec^3x## :rolleyes: (It uses elliptical integrals, and I myself don't have the slightest clue how to solve it)
 
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  • #153
AdityaDev said:
Or this one
##\int_0^{\pi/2}sinxlnsinxdx##

Now you can't split the integral.
This is an improper integral. Calculating the indefinite integral is very easy, and this question has more to do with limits than the actual process of integration. In general, using approximate methods is suitable to calculate the numerical value of such functions (although if you want to get very specific, then the question is not correctly presented, as the upper limit is not part of the integrand's domain [a limit must be shown in formal treatment]).
 
  • #154
PWiz said:
This one's super easy (I encountered it while trying to find the arc length of ##y=x^2##).
(1) ##\int sec^3 \theta\ d\theta = \int sec^2\theta\ sec \theta\ d\theta##. Integrating by parts, we get

Well, if we are discussing ##\int \sec^3 (\theta) d\theta## then there is also
##\int \frac{1}{\cos^3(\theta)} d\theta = \int\frac{\cos(\theta)}{\cos^4(\theta)} d\theta = \int \frac{\cos(\theta)}{(1-\sin^2(\theta))^2} d\theta = \int \frac{1}{(1-u^2)^2} du##

The last integral is tedious but not hard (I've seen it given as a Calc 2 assignment question).

IMO, this is too trivial a question to appear in this thread.

Unfortunately the OP restricted the thread to Calc 1-2 level. There's only so much variation of the basic techniques you can do.
 
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  • #155
integral from zero to x sin(x^2) is called (fresnel integral) .
the full solution is here.
 
  • #156
A must-do preliminary exercise:
$$\int arcsin(x)\ arccos(x) dx$$
 
  • #157
PWiz said:
A must-do preliminary exercise:
$$\int arcsin(x)\ arccos(x) dx$$
That's really easy if you remember that :-
##arcsin(x)+arccos(x)=\frac{\pi}{2}##
then substitute ##x=sin(y)## to get:-
##\int y(\frac{\pi}{2}-y)cos(y) dy##
Here's a good proof of the Gaussian integral that I quite like because at first sight it seems that something is wrong, but the proof is mathematically sound.
Let ##I## be the Gaussian integral then we have:-
##I^2=\int_0^{\infty}e^{-x^2}\int_0^{\infty}e^{-u^2} du dx=\int_0^{\infty}e^{-x^2}\int_0^{\infty}e^{-x^2y^2} x\ dy dx\\
=\int_0^{\infty}\int_0^{\infty} xe^{-x^2(1+y^2)} dx dy\\
=\frac{1}{2}\int_0^{\infty}\frac{1}{1+y^2} dy\\
=\frac{\pi}{4}.##
 
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  • #158
∫ f(x) dx = F(a) - F(b)
 
  • #159
Alex299792458 said:
∫ f(x) dx = F(a) - F(b)

The left hand side is the indefinite integral of f, but the right hand side is a constant. The only function that integrates to a constant is the zero function.
 
  • #160
PWiz said:
If you really want to push things up a notch though, try the double integral of sec3xsec^3x :rolleyes: (It uses elliptical integrals, and I myself don't have the slightest clue how to solve it)
This integral is not expressible in terms of elementary functions.
##\iint sec^3(x) dx\ dx=\int\frac{1}{2}[sec(x) tan(x)+ln(sec(x)+tan(x))]+c\ dx\\
=\frac{1}{2}sec(x)+cx+\frac{1}{2}\int ln(sec(x)) dx +\frac{1}{2}\int ln(1+sin(x))dx##
Now note that:- ##1+sin(x)=2cos^2(\frac{\pi}{4}-\frac{x}{2})\\
\therefore ln(1+sin(x)=ln (2) -2 ln(sec(\frac{\pi}{4}-\frac{x}{2}))##
and with a simple substitution this integral should be of the ##ln(sec(x))## type.
However ##I=\int ln(sec(x)) dx## is not elementary, see this.
 
  • #161
certainly said:
This integral is not expressible in terms of elementary functions.
##\iint sec^3(x) dx\ dx=\int\frac{1}{2}[sec(x) tan(x)+ln(sec(x)+tan(x))]+c\ dx\\
=\frac{1}{2}sec(x)+cx+\frac{1}{2}\int ln(sec(x)) dx +\frac{1}{2}\int ln(1+sin(x))dx##
Now note that:- ##1+sin(x)=2cos^2(\frac{\pi}{4}-\frac{x}{2})\\
\therefore ln(1+sin(x)=ln (2) -2 ln(sec(\frac{\pi}{4}-\frac{x}{2}))##
and with a simple substitution this integral should be of the ##ln(sec(x))## type.
However ##I=\int ln(sec(x)) dx## is not elementary, see this.
I know that. It's why I mentioned in my earlier post that it's expressed in terms of "elliptical integrals" and that I can't solve it. In general, I solve out every integral I can on my own unless it's non-elementary, in which case I don't even make an attempt.
 
  • #162
PWiz said:
I know that. It's why I mentioned in my earlier post that it's expressed in terms of "elliptical integrals" and that I can't solve it. In general, I solve out every integral I can on my own unless it's non-elementary, in which case I don't even make an attempt.
I don't see how ##I=\int ln(sec(x)) dx## can be reduced to an elliptic integral...
[EDIT:- remember that elliptic integrals are of the form ##\int\frac{A(x)+B(x)\sqrt{S(x)}}{C(x)+D(x)\sqrt{S(x)}} dx##]
 
  • #163
certainly said:
I don't see how ##I=\int ln(sec(x)) dx## can be reduced to an elliptic integral...
[EDIT:- remember that elliptic integrals are of the form ##\int\frac{A(x)+B(x)\sqrt{S(x)}}{C(x)+D(x)\sqrt{S(x)}} dx##]
You're right, it uses the polylogarithmic function. But the fact that it's non-elementary is enough to keep me from trying o0)
 
  • #164
Try this one $$\int_{0}^{\pi/2}{ dx \over {1+\tan^{2015}{x}}}$$
 
  • #165
Why specifically to the power of 2015?
 
  • #166
Here are some I like. First one is one that I stumbled upon while trying to integrate \exp(-a_1^2x^2 - a_2^2y^2) over a circular area.
The second is one that I found was really cool and educational to figure out by myself

Try this:
\int_0^{2\pi} \exp(-a\cos^2\theta)dx.

Or this:
\int \exp(ax)\sin(bx) dx.

Hint for no.1:
\int_0^{2}\frac{\exp(-px)}{\sqrt{x(2-x)}}dx = \pi\exp(-p)I_0(p).
 
  • #167
dextercioby said:
\frac{(1-x)^2 (1-x)^2}{(1-x)^2 + 2x} = (1-x)^2 - \frac{2x(1-x)^2}{(1-x)^2+2x} = (1-x)^2 - 2x\frac{1-x^2}{1+x^2} + \frac{4(1+x^2)-4}{1+x^2}

The integration of the 4 terms is elementary.

\frac{(1-x)^2 (1-x)^2}{(1-x)^2 + 2x} = (1-x)^2 - \frac{2x(1-x)^2}{(1-x)^2+2x} = (1-x)^2 - 2x\frac{1+x^2}{1+x^2} + \frac{4(1+x^2)-4}{1+x^2}

I think this is correct
 
  • #168
tommik said:
\frac{(1-x)^2 (1-x)^2}{(1-x)^2 + 2x} = (1-x)^2 - \frac{2x(1-x)^2}{(1-x)^2+2x} = (1-x)^2 - 2x\frac{1+x^2}{1+x^2} + \frac{4(1+x^2)-4}{1+x^2}

I think this is correct
Indeed, you are correct.
 
  • #169
Hi guys...In this 3D I found a lot of interesting posts with amazing solution integrals, other difficult but very boring and other too easy to be interesting. One of the most amazing I found is the following:

$$\int{{\sqrt{tan x}dx}}$$

Here is an example of easy but nice to do:

$$\int{ dx \over {x\sqrt{x^2-a^2}}}$$

$$(-1/a)\int{ -a\over {x|x|\sqrt{1-|a/x|^2}}}dx$$

$$(-1/a)\int{ 1\over {\sqrt{1-|a/x|^2}}}d(|a/x|)= (-1/a) arcsin|a/x| +C$$
 
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  • #170
Alex299792458 said:
Why specifically to the power of 2015?
You should try the integral and find out for yourself!
 
  • #171
maka89 said:
Try this:
##\int_0^{2\pi} \exp(-a\cos^2\theta)dx##.
NOTE:-To anyone attempting this one, you will need the hint unless you already know about Bessel functions.
ZetaOfThree said:
Try this one $$\int_{0}^{\pi/2}{ dx \over {1+\tan^{2015}{x}}}$$
The first integral of this type on this thread I believe... the answer is ##\frac{\pi}{4}##
tommik said:
One of the most amazing I found is the following:

##\int\sqrt{tan(x)} dx##​
'tis been already posted on this thread.....
maka89 said:
Or this:
##\int \exp(ax)\sin(bx) dx##.
'tis easy...just do integration by parts twice on ##e^{ax}##...
Come on lads give us something good......[like that ##sin(x^2)## integral, that was simply amazing......]
 
  • #172
certainly said:
'tis been already posted on this thread.....

@certainly...that's exactly what I said...It is one of the most amazing I found HERE!
 
  • #173
\int{{\sqrt{1-e^{2}sin^{2}(\theta)} d\theta}}
 
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  • #174
Hint: it's an elliptic integral of the second kind.
 
  • #175
This one might be a little more approachable...

\int{ x^2-3x+7\over {(x^2-4x+6)^2}}dx
 
  • #176
zoki85 said:
Hard ,but famous and bautiful :

\int_{0}^{\infty}sin(x^2)dx

I believe this uses multivariable calculus since I recall you must first prove the definite integral of the e^-x^2 which requires double integrals and a change of variables.
 
  • #177
DyslexicHobo said:
I'm just out of Calc 1, so I'm not sure if I even have the knowledge to solve this... but here's where I am now. I can't tell if I complicated it even more, or if I'm closer to getting the solution.

\int (r-1)^{1/5}ln(r) - r^{-1} (r-1)^{1/5} dr

I used u-substitution (well, r-substitution), where r = x^5 + 1. After the substitution I used integration by parts, and now I'm unsure if that was even the right path. Please let me know!

And please tell us how to do \int_{0}^{\infty}sin(x^2)dx
I think you need multivariable to do that.
 
  • #178
Here is a hard nut to crack. Been trying to solve it for a while, can't confirm it's actually solvable.

1/ ( x ( ln (x+1) -1 ) )
 
  • #179
x^2arctan(5x)
 

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