B Change in field strength if two variables are incremented at the same time

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The discussion focuses on calculating changes in gravitational field strength when both mass and radius are altered. The overall change in field strength is expressed as the sum of individual changes due to small variations in mass (dM) and radius (dR). A Taylor series expansion indicates that cross terms are negligible compared to linear terms, validating the addition of these changes. Participants also explore the physical implications of changing mass, noting that variations can arise from phenomena like solar wind or experimental errors. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding these theoretical calculations in practical experimental contexts.
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Given the example g = \frac{GM}{R^{2}}, we may compute the change in field strength if the mass is changed by a small amount dM to be$$dg = \frac{G dM}{R^{2}}$$and also if R is changed by dR,$$dg = \frac{-2 GM dR}{R^{3}}$$If, however, both the mass and radius are changed by a small amount at the same time, the source I'm using states that the overall change in field strength is simply the sum:$$dg = \frac{G dM}{R^{2}} - \frac{2 GM dR}{R^{3}}$$I was wondering if anyone could explain why this is a valid step. Thank you!
 
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etotheipi said:
Given the example g = \frac{GM}{R^{2}}, we may compute the change in field strength if the mass is changed by a small amount dM to be$$dg = \frac{G dM}{R^{2}}$$and also if R is changed by dR,$$dg = \frac{-2 GM dR}{R^{3}}$$If, however, both the mass and radius are changed by a small amount at the same time, the source I'm using states that the overall change in field strength is simply the sum:$$dg = \frac{G dM}{R^{2}} - \frac{2 GM dR}{R^{3}}$$I was wondering if anyone could explain why this is a valid step. Thank you!

If you make two small changes, then the overall change is the sum of those changes.

You could look at this a little more rigorously by using a taylor series expansion. The cross terms in ##dMdR## will be small compared to the linear terms in ##dM## and ##dR##.
 
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PeroK said:
If you make two small changes, then the overall change is the sum of those changes.

You could look at this a little more rigorously by using a taylor series expansion. The cross terms in ##dMdR## will be small compared to the linear terms in ##dM## and ##dR##.

I just had a go replacing M and R with M + dM and R + dR and then worked out the resulting change, and ended up obtaining that result you stated with ##dMdR##. Thanks!
 
hmm, how do you (physically) change mass? (other than purely mathematically)
 
Henryk said:
hmm, how do you (physically) change mass? (other than purely mathematically)
Solar wind, or just radiation. I believe that some stars occasionally emit shells if matter fir one reason or another (you'd be better asking in Astronomy and Astrophysics for details). As long as the mass distribution remains spherically symmetric then when a shell of mass passes your radius, its gravity no longer affects you (look up the Shell Theorem).
 
Henryk said:
hmm, how do you (physically) change mass? (other than purely mathematically)

You don't necessarily need to change the mass. You might simply want to look at the effect of small variations in mass (to consider experimental error, for example) on the result of your calculations.
 
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PeroK said:
You don't necessarily need to change the mass. You might simply want to look at the effect of small variations in mass (to consider experimental error, for example) on the result of your calculations.
Ok, that's different.
 
Henryk said:
hmm, how do you (physically) change mass? (other than purely mathematically)
All this theory relates to experiments that could verify it. Changing the mass would mean running the experiment again with a different mass. Quite acceptable.
 
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