Change of Variables in Tripple Integrals

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The discussion revolves around the change of variables in triple integrals, particularly focusing on the implications of introducing a third variable in the context of integration. Participants explore the differences between double and triple integrals, questioning how the additional variable affects the contributions to the differential elements.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the nature of surfaces and lines in three-dimensional space, questioning how constant coordinates define geometric shapes. There is an exploration of the Jacobian determinant and its relevance to the change of variables. Some participants attempt to clarify the relationship between the coordinates and their geometric interpretations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights and clarifications about the geometric implications of constant coordinates in three dimensions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the coordinate systems and their orthogonality, but no consensus has been reached on all points.

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Participants are considering the implications of non-orthogonal coordinate systems and the geometric configurations of shapes like parallelepipeds in relation to the coordinate surfaces defined by u, v, and w.

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In double integrals, the change of variables is fairly easy to understand. With u = constant and v = constant, along line KL v = constant so dv = 0. Therefore the only contributing variable to ∂x and ∂y is ∂v.


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However, in tripple integrals, you're simply adding one more w = constant that gives the 3rd dimension (the height to the initial flat-surfaced parallelogram before).

So as you move along a line PQ (which is formed by say u = constant), then won't BOTH v and w contribute to ∂x, ∂y and ∂z since only u is constant?
 

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Are you aware of the Jacobian determinant?
 
In 3D, the object defined by a constant coordinate is a surface, not a line. z = 0 defines a plane, for instance, doesn't it?

They're saying that along PQ two coordinates are constant because that's where two surfaces of (different) constant coordinates intersect.

In short, for 3D:

No coordinates constant: a volume
1 coordinate constant: a plane
2 coordinates constant: a line
All 3 coordinates constant: a point
 
Muphrid said:
In 3D, the object defined by a constant coordinate is a surface, not a line. z = 0 defines a plane, for instance, doesn't it?

They're saying that along PQ two coordinates are constant because that's where two surfaces of (different) constant coordinates intersect.

In short, for 3D:

No coordinates constant: a volume
1 coordinate constant: a plane
2 coordinates constant: a line
All 3 coordinates constant: a point

Hmm I think I got it! For example, u = constant family of curves define the x-y plane, while v = constant define the y-z plane etc... the line is at intersection of the 2 planes where they cut one another.

Therefore, since the line lies on both plane x-y and y-z, v and u must be constant!
 
Am I right to say that in the new coordinate surfaces u, v and w they need not necessarily be at right angles to one another as in x, y and z?
 
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In the picture attached there is a parallelepiped. My question is, what happens if plane ABCD is not vertical, like it slants into the page then the corresponding shape will not be of a parallelpiped? As in it slants into the page, making an angle with AC.
 

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unscientific said:
Am I right to say that in the new coordinate surfaces u, v and w they need not necessarily be at right angles to one another as in x, y and z?

That's correct. The coordinate system need not be orthogonal.



The parallelipiped is still a parallelpiped as long as the corresponding surface opposite ABCD slants the same way.
 

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