Charged balls connected by spring

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving two charged balls connected by a spring in the presence of a homogeneous electric field. The participants are exploring the effects of the electric field on the spring's stretch and the forces acting on the charged balls.

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  • Participants discuss using Coulomb's Law and Hooke's Law to analyze the forces acting on the charged balls. There is an exploration of how to incorporate the electric field into their calculations, with some questioning how to mathematically represent the electric force alongside the spring force.

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There is an active exchange of ideas regarding the formulation of the problem, with participants suggesting different ways to express the forces involved. Some guidance has been offered on considering the electric field and the spring force, but no consensus has been reached on the final approach.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the initial length of the spring is denoted as l0, and there is a need to clarify the direction of forces and the representation of variables in their equations.

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Homework Statement


Consider two small balls with charges +q and -q, connected by a spring with spring constant k. A homogeneous electric field E has been turned on. E is collinear with the line that connects -q to +q. By how much will the string stretch?

Homework Equations


Coulomb's Law
Hooke's Law

The Attempt at a Solution


I figured that we could use F=-kx and substitute Coulomb's Law in for F. Doing this and solving for x, I obtained (1/(-4πεk))(q^2/r^2), where ε is the permittivity constant and k is the spring constant. Was this the correct way to approach this problem? Any input would be appreciated. Thanks!
 
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yango_17 said:

Homework Statement


Consider two small balls with charges +q and -q, connected by a spring with spring constant k. A homogeneous electric field E has been turned on. E is collinear with the line that connects -q to +q. By how much will the string stretch?

Homework Equations


Coulomb's Law
Hooke's Law

The Attempt at a Solution


I figured that we could use F=-kx and substitute Coulomb's Law in for F. Doing this and solving for x, I obtained (1/(-4πεk))(q^2/r^2), where ε is the permittivity constant and k is the spring constant. Was this the correct way to approach this problem? Any input would be appreciated. Thanks!

I do not see that you took the applied electric field E into account.
 
How would one go about doing that? I know that F=qE, so that's how I figure the electric field could be taken into account, but I'm not sure how to go about representing that mathematically. Wouldn't it look very similar to Coulomb's Law?
 
yango_17 said:
How would one go about doing that? I know that F=qE, so that's how I figure the electric field could be taken into account, but I'm not sure how to go about representing that mathematically. Wouldn't it look very similar to Coulomb's Law?
No, E is homogeneous, it does not depend on the position of the charges.The force due to E on charge q is F=qE.
Draw the FBD at the positive charge. What forces act on it?
 
The forces acting on the ball would be the coulomb force and the homogeneous electric field. So, you'd represent the force on the left side of the equation as (coulomb force)+qE?
 
yango_17 said:
The forces acting on the ball would be the coulomb force and the homogeneous electric field. So, you'd represent the force on the left side of the equation as (coulomb force)+qE?
Left side of what equation?? Yes, and you have the spring force, too.
 
the left side of Hooke's law, ##F=-kx##.
 
OK, then write out in detail. The relaxed length of the spring was not given?
 
He told us to assume initial length as ##l_{0}##. So, therefore, I'm thinking we can represent this system as ##\frac{1}{-4\pi\varepsilon _{0}} \frac{q^{2}}{r^{2}}+\mathbf{E}=-kx##. Does this seem reasonable?
 
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Could x be replaced by ##(l_{0}-r)##?
 
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It would be useful to make a drawing, and show the direction of the forces.
I do not know, what you call x and what direction you assumed for E.
 

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