Charged balls connected by spring

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The discussion revolves around calculating the stretch of a spring connecting two charged balls (+q and -q) in a homogeneous electric field E. The initial approach involved using Coulomb's Law and Hooke's Law to derive the stretch, but it was noted that the electric field's effect was not adequately considered. Participants suggested incorporating the electric force (F=qE) alongside the Coulomb force in the equation. A detailed force balance was proposed, combining both forces and the spring force to find the stretch. The conversation emphasizes the need for clarity in defining variables and directions in the force diagram for accurate calculations.
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Homework Statement


Consider two small balls with charges +q and -q, connected by a spring with spring constant k. A homogeneous electric field E has been turned on. E is collinear with the line that connects -q to +q. By how much will the string stretch?

Homework Equations


Coulomb's Law
Hooke's Law

The Attempt at a Solution


I figured that we could use F=-kx and substitute Coulomb's Law in for F. Doing this and solving for x, I obtained (1/(-4πεk))(q^2/r^2), where ε is the permittivity constant and k is the spring constant. Was this the correct way to approach this problem? Any input would be appreciated. Thanks!
 
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yango_17 said:

Homework Statement


Consider two small balls with charges +q and -q, connected by a spring with spring constant k. A homogeneous electric field E has been turned on. E is collinear with the line that connects -q to +q. By how much will the string stretch?

Homework Equations


Coulomb's Law
Hooke's Law

The Attempt at a Solution


I figured that we could use F=-kx and substitute Coulomb's Law in for F. Doing this and solving for x, I obtained (1/(-4πεk))(q^2/r^2), where ε is the permittivity constant and k is the spring constant. Was this the correct way to approach this problem? Any input would be appreciated. Thanks!

I do not see that you took the applied electric field E into account.
 
How would one go about doing that? I know that F=qE, so that's how I figure the electric field could be taken into account, but I'm not sure how to go about representing that mathematically. Wouldn't it look very similar to Coulomb's Law?
 
yango_17 said:
How would one go about doing that? I know that F=qE, so that's how I figure the electric field could be taken into account, but I'm not sure how to go about representing that mathematically. Wouldn't it look very similar to Coulomb's Law?
No, E is homogeneous, it does not depend on the position of the charges.The force due to E on charge q is F=qE.
Draw the FBD at the positive charge. What forces act on it?
 
The forces acting on the ball would be the coulomb force and the homogeneous electric field. So, you'd represent the force on the left side of the equation as (coulomb force)+qE?
 
yango_17 said:
The forces acting on the ball would be the coulomb force and the homogeneous electric field. So, you'd represent the force on the left side of the equation as (coulomb force)+qE?
Left side of what equation?? Yes, and you have the spring force, too.
 
the left side of Hooke's law, ##F=-kx##.
 
OK, then write out in detail. The relaxed length of the spring was not given?
 
He told us to assume initial length as ##l_{0}##. So, therefore, I'm thinking we can represent this system as ##\frac{1}{-4\pi\varepsilon _{0}} \frac{q^{2}}{r^{2}}+\mathbf{E}=-kx##. Does this seem reasonable?
 
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Could x be replaced by ##(l_{0}-r)##?
 
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It would be useful to make a drawing, and show the direction of the forces.
I do not know, what you call x and what direction you assumed for E.
 
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