Charged particles from our Sun travelling too fast?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of charged particles emitted from the Sun, particularly their speed and whether this can be explained by current solar models. Participants explore the possibility of Hawking radiation influencing these particles, debating its applicability to the Sun versus black holes.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that charged particles from the Sun are traveling faster than current models can explain, proposing the influence of Hawking radiation.
  • Another participant argues that Hawking radiation is too theoretical to apply to the Sun, emphasizing its specific association with black holes.
  • A different viewpoint posits that while Hawking radiation is theoretical, it could impart momentum to particles emitted by black holes with accretion discs, though calculations would be complex.
  • It is asserted that Hawking radiation is exclusive to black holes due to the presence of negative energy states within their event horizons.
  • A participant draws a comparison between the Sun and black holes, suggesting that both could theoretically have a central point, questioning the nature of their cores.
  • Another participant clarifies that while all objects have a Schwarzschild radius, only those with all mass contained within that radius qualify as black holes, which does not apply to atomic structures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of Hawking radiation to the Sun, with no consensus reached on whether it could explain the speed of charged particles. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the theoretical implications of black holes and the nature of the Sun's core.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the theoretical nature of Hawking radiation and its specific association with black holes, indicating limitations in applying this concept to solar phenomena. The discussion also touches on the complexities of defining the nature of mass and singularities in both black holes and the Sun.

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I read somewhere (Wikipedia I think) that charges particles are leaving our Sun and heading for Earth faster than can be explained by current solar models.Is it possible that there is some Hawking radiation inside the Sun imparting extra energy to these particles? Or does Hawking radiation only come from Black Holes?
 
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Hawking radiation may seem too theretical but it could also be imparting extra momentum to high-speed charged particles emitted by black holes with accretion discs.The disc mass outside the hole would somehow have to be raising the temperature of the hole.But I'm sure that any calculation to prove this would be immensely difficult.And I'm more like Eisenstein than Einstein!
 
Hawking radiation is specific to black holes only. It's an effect of negative energy states being available inside the event horizon of a black hole. No event horizon means no negative energy states, meaning no Hawking radiation.
 
A black hole with an accretion disc is a mass with another mass outside it.
The Sun can have one atom at its centre with the rest of its mass outside this atom.What's the difference - that atom would have a Schwarzshild radius.And there could be nothing at the centre of a black hole or of the Sun-what if the centres are just geometrical points?
 
Any object has a Schwarzschild radius. But, the object is only a black hole if all of its mass is contained inside said radius. This is not the case for any atom, nucleus, nucleon, etc.
 

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